Feminism doesn't give women a pass. Some people who identify as feminists do, and they are shitty people. I don't stop identifying as feminist because some feminists are assholes. The same way I don't stop identifying as a geek because some geeks are assholes.
Quick everyone go and post about voat.
He's playing it smart. What he's doing is carefully wording positions that will predominantly affect people of color, in words that the me-first guilt-adverse hypersensitive white fauxgressives will feel comfortable with. He needs them if he's going to win. I used to do programming before I got sick and couldn't keep up. One thing people really don't like hearing is that they did something wrong. They don't want you to come in and say "Well, see your problem is that your thing is buggy" because they decided on that thing and they are attached to it. Often they stick with the flawed system and have you build shitty bandaids that don't really work in the long run. Sometimes you can get proper fixes in by touting them as or coupling them with a new feature. In the same way, white people really hate hearing "Well, see your problem is that your white-dominated judicial system is systematically racist" because hey, they elected the people that appointed those police/judges/DAs, and that means they elected the wrong people. So what he's doing is promoting procedural changes in a way that those white folks think it will benefit them. The same way as, to use j4d3's example, police are being convinced to use cameras to protect themselves against frivolous lawsuits from criminals.
Some black people already have guns. Legally too.
Knowing some of the people here, (the ones that post racially inflammatory click-bait and violence-inciting puke like "all feminists should be beaten" and make comments about how feminists should be forced to transition as punishment,) it's going to be thrown around as "look, see, feminism is a complete fraud because a woman raped a boy!"
SJW is a slur, it's being applied with about as much accuracy as homophobic pejoratives have been. Some try to reclaim it, but it's use is still mostly as a slur. I know people who have reason to be triggered by this, and they are. They kind of become hermits. Just like the assholes want them to.
At the risk of "no true scotsman", yes. But I'd phrase it differently. They can identify as whatever they please. If they say they are feminist, then ok, they are. But identifying oneself as feminist doesn't make one good at feminism. They are feminists who are utterly terrible at feminism.
I am not going to sit by and tolerate racist fuckwittery here just because there are less racists on this site than non-racists, nor am I going to tolerate misogynist bullshit because there are more feminists on this site than non-feminist. If you think I am because you go waving "free speech" around you are so very very wrong. This ain't Reddit.
I once knew a couple who dressed their kid gender neutral and refused to say which the baby was to strangers. The indignation they got was hilarious. It was basically a lot of unspoken "I DEMAND TO KNOW HOW TO SUBTLY INFLUENCE YOUR CHILD'S DEVELOPMENT"
What you're talking about is the feminist theory of "Patriarchy hurts men too". It's not a new concept to contemporary waves of feminism, it's been around for decades, and it is crucial to these waves. People who don't subscribe to this theory are bad at feminism. Just like they're bad at feminism if they disregard the plight of trans folk, or other Gender and Sexual Minorities as irrelevant. Just like they're bad at feminism if they disregard how race amplifies non-racial inequalities. These are all things that appeared in Second Wave feminism. That doesn't make earlier feminism irrelevant, it just made it less effective. It maintained various status quos in the facets of power that exist in society. arguewithatree points out that this has a name; it's called Kyriarchy. Patriarchy is a benefactor of Kyriarchy. Sexism goes both ways indeed, and it won't be gone until the patriarchal imbalance is, with its benevolent sexism encouraging the demure domesticated woman and the strong industrial/warrior man. Tradition they call it. It is rooted in biblical text and everything. It sprouted a culture where men protect the virginity, faithfulness and safety of their "possessions" from other men. I can assure you the people who formulated this society based on biblical values weren't women. They weren't allowed. These people in power, they sure as hell aren't going to listen to the women whose agency they've stunted, lest they lose even more control. And they're sure as hell not going to give vulnerability to men, because they don't want to be vulnerable themselves. They police masculinity just as much as they police femininity. They discourage men from pursuing nurturing careers, and outright banned women from combat roles in the military. They privilege the successful masculine man, and punish as "bitch" the ambitious entrepreneurial woman. They privilege the submissive feminine woman, but scold as "girly " the man who rejects the traditional masculine framework. They teach men to fear being labelled, and women to fear men. It is people in power who are denying men's vulnerability and casting them aside if they are vulnerable. It is people in power in power who are keeping agency from women. It is people in power who are setting the standards for society. It's not sexism to point out that it is overwhelmingly or ultimately men who are in power, or that because of this they need to lead change or share the power with those who will. In an amazing coincidence, as patriarchal dominance is slowly eroded, there are shifts in perception, barriers are being broken down, and things are changing. "Patriarchy theory" isn't a feminist theory. It exists almost exclusively as a concept in anti-feminist arguments. It is designed to discredit feminism by twisting logic and painting a straw argument, a "straw feminist" so to speak. It is used to imply that feminism is about are running around screaming "sexism" and "privilege" every time they don't get their way while ignoring that men sometimes have bad luck too. Are there people who identify as feminists who do this? Sure. Are they the majority and is it the basis of feminism? Hells to the no. Feminists don't expect men in homeless shelters to overturn sexism. They expect the privileged men and women in politics and the courthouse to.
His entire point is that the method of educating isn't working. It's not working because the audience is often actively opposed to being educated. They like thinking that racism is a non-issue and they enjoy that their willful inability to learn can be misrepresented as him unable to "prove" to them otherwise. They enjoy this as a license for them to continue the status quo. In asking them "what would it take" he would be given insight in to exactly how badly they refuse to learn. Their answer to his question is a lede and then the goalposts never stop moving. He'll never convince them because they are subconsciously resisting fact and reason. They like the world with the wind at their back. If the question was "what would it cost to convince you" their answer would essentially be "you don't have enough".
Like when male colleagues threw dollar bills at her in the office.
Education. Without education, you don't get anything else.
Things like this make it kind of apparent. Men die from going into a warzone. Women die from going into a relationship.
I ended up muting someone I never replied to after I watched them trying to hijack someone else's post with a misogynist agenda. I clicked their user name and saw all sorts of racist and misogynistic stuff I don't want hijacking threads I post, so instead of noping the fuck out of hubski, I muted them.
He wrote a game. I already feel inadequate.
Yes and no. Both men and women's bodies fall on a spectrum. Some girls are curvy, some aren't. Some guys are curvy too. Women don't need to be in a curve fitting top to look nice. The top I am in right now is "peasant style" and not fitted. I see "boyfriend style" tops in clothes stores all the time, they're often literally men's stuff that have had minor cosmetic alterations (like the rolled up arms stitched in place). One of the current fashions these days is to get an oversized top and wear it with leggings. And not to forget, I've helped organize events where tshirts were a thing. Many many women attendees opt for the non-babydoll styles, and smaller built guys even opt for babydoll instead of unisex. Pants are a slightly different thing. Holy fuck is it hard to find a pair of jeans that fits right. Because all women are shaped differently and aren't a perfect ratio of butt to height, but a lot of styles don't accommodate anything other than a strict narrow formula. You know what, one of my most comfortable pairs of jeans as a teenager was a pair of boy's jeans. It's now actually a thing these days for guys to get girls jeans. They often have a better range of colors and styles, and some cis guys find they fit better than the dude cuts too. They don't like the lack of decent pockets either. Tl;dr: gendered clothes don't fit a lot of people right anyway.
Google "men can't be raped". You won't enjoy it though.
It wouldn't surprise me if the site is predominantly white either. But you know what? I'd hedge a bet that most of us understand why you're angry and why you're scared. That doesn't make your behavior here acceptable. Your own fear has never been a good reason to make someone else afraid.
Woo thanks for the collapsible comments! :D
Are you kidding me?
So you want to be given an article that argues that the US is either post-racist or was never racist to begin with? There is no such article that I could in good conscience recommend, as such an article would be blatantly erasing the experiences of so many disenfranchised people.
I'm photosensitive. I am wincing at the thought of this.
I do, yes. Hubski wants thoughtful discussion. It is run by mature responsible people and has a community (most of) who prioritize thoughtful discussion. Voat wants to be the next popular kid and will accept anything and everything without considering the consequences beyond "mah freeze peaches". One consequence being that services they relied on started ditching them. So yes, while there are some people who use all three, it is quite fair to characterize hubski as the place you recommend to good company, and voat the place you recommend to everyone else.
One of them anyway. I don't recall seeing anything about the how to rape subs yet.
I already do this, and here we are.
Likewise:
I for one don't like reading views that say I should be literally beaten. I've muted people who have said I should be, or agreed with the idea.