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mk  ·  4768 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Groupon has spent about as much on advertising this year as Visa and Time Warner Cable.
My sense is that bargain shoppers are not the type that make loyal customers, almost by definition. This thing is unraveling.

I have a feeling that Foursquare and Yelp are going to break into this, but instead of getting emails, they are just going to notify you if there are any deals around you. I might be a bit more inclined to use something like that.

BBC: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15574954

"How do you sustain a model where on average the customer, not the person who buys the coupon but the business itself, loses money?

"You get companies that don't know any better, they lose 10 grand, and they don't come back."





kleinbl00  ·  4768 days ago  ·  link  ·  
I've seen any number of small retailers refer to Groupon as "crack." As in, something that gives you a quick rush of business but doesn't make you any money and the people never come back.

The real problem is that in order to be profitable in the long run they'd have to dominate their sphere. I'm already getting groupon-like offers from Amazon, and I'm already getting groupon-like offers from Google. I'm pretty sure both Amazon and Google are playing with it to see if there's any point, but either one of them could annihilate Groupon without breaking a sweat.

The only strategy that makes any sense for a Groupon investor is hoping Yahoo or eBay pays way the fuck too much for it in a desperation move because they were too stupid or lazy to come up with something like it or "as good as it" on their own, a-la Paypal, only without Groupon being the dominant piece of the market.

That said, it's trading at bloody 26 right now.

mk  ·  4767 days ago  ·  link  ·  
This is a stock that is being played, not invested in.

They sell coupons. Everyone has heard of Groupon. Where can they possibly go from there? The types of businesses that can do a Groupon are limited. It's not like my local Ford dealer is going to have a Groupon on Focuses.

Surprise, surprise, here's my local Groupon today: Relaxation & Ultimate Bodywork (RUB) – Ann Arbor

How many massages do you need? This might say something interesting about the massage industry, however.

This stock will be played as it goes up, and down, and down. The investors got theirs, and now the market makers have a new toy to play with for a while.

Fuck, I'm going to start seeing Google Offers in my G+, aren't I?

kleinbl00  ·  4767 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Well, I understand the theory. You'll notice that Groupon tends to favor food and service industries. They've always been coupon-based - free breadsticks with order, buy one entree get one free, etc. They usually come in your junk mail. Get someone to try a new restaurant and if they like it, they're likely to keep coming back.

Same with services. How many massages do you need? Well, if your insurance covers it, sometimes two a week. Even if you don't, some people will treat themselves to a massage every week. Mani/pedi? Same deal.

Thing is, though, this business model is covered quite nicely by junk mail.

As far as I'm concerned, Groupon - even more than Facebook - is an example of the dotcom bubble reinflating. This shit can't continue.

thenewgreen  ·  4767 days ago  ·  link  ·  
As far as I'm concerned, Groupon - even more than Facebook - is an example of the dotcom bubble reinflating. This shit can't continue. -I couldn't agree more. I work with a large variety of different business owners and ALL of them are jumping on Groupon/FB and sincerely think it will increase profitability. Why? Because consultants push it on them left and right and much like this video posted by mike http://hubski.com/pub?id=8026 they don't want to be the last one "dancing". Eventually, they will realize that the most successful businesses in their industries are always going to be the ones that focus intensely on having the greatest product and the greatest customer service.

I had a friend that owned a bar and always had a $1 PBR on tap. The bar next to his charged 3$ a PBR. The bar next to him was always busier and the majority of the people at his competitors bar were drinking PBR's. Why didn't they come next door to him? Because his service sucked. Too many merchants are looking for a "silver bullet" to help drive revenue. It's no secret though, focus on your product and your service, throw in some targeted marketing and good things will happen. Groupon and FB pages for the most part don't do shit.