Gotcha. If it's just the one, I'll see if I can't hunt that down at a local shop or something. The price for the box set on Amazon seems unreasonably high. True story? I like giant robot cartoons for the toys and Bandai has made some awesome shit through the years. Teenage me would have probably geeked at the idea of getting my hands on some Patlabor model kits. Have you seen the 16 Episode Series of Patlabor? Is it any better or do you think it's skippable? Can I be honest? I'm gonna be honest here. I will fully admit that I intentionally glossed over those particular titles. All three of those cartoons seem really and uncomfortably weird to me and I didn't want to hurt your feelings or feel like I was snubbing your suggestions. It's like someone telling me that I need to see Eraserhead or A Clockwork Orange because they're classic cinema, but I've seen bits and pieces of both and know enough of both that I'd be extremely uncomfortable watching them and wouldn't appreciate them. I feel the same is true for those three titles from what I read about them on Wikipedia. I'm sorry. :/Genesis Climber Mospeada
Patlabor is from '89. Seriously influential on mecha design. FWIW, Bandai has re-released most of the model kits from Patlabor so my local hobby shop is drowning in them. And you're right. It's boring. Technically it's called "Slice of life anime" and I hate it.
I'll also point out that you skimmed right the fuck over my big recommendations, which were Lain, Madoka Magica and Psycho Pass, all three of which we actually covered under #animeclub so wtf ever, bro, go sit there and watch Star Blazers and maintain "you were never much of a fan of anime" as if that were somehow anime's fault. ;-)
I'm gonna say this you are missing out on some seriously great writing, and doing yourself a huge disservice not watching any of those. I can understand the hesitation with something like madoka because visually it is uncomfortable (I think for good reason). Psycho pass is gritty though and makes quite a few political statements and paints a very interesting design of the future. I just hope at the end you don't make any really conclusions about anime without exploring its deeper side as an art form. Unrelated, I don't know if I suggested it before, but Akira is a short watch, but really good.Can I be honest? I'm gonna be honest here. I will fully admit that I intentionally glossed over those particular titles. All three of those cartoons seem really and uncomfortably weird to me and I didn't want to hurt your feelings or feel like I was snubbing your suggestions.
1) Netflix had Genesis Climber Mospeada on disc at least as late as 2011. They probably still do. Old school, I know, but there it is. 2) I made it about five episodes into Patlabor and then decided I didn't really care enough. I think I made it eight into Planetes. 3) It's insulting that you'd disregard the recommendations of others because of a blurb you read on Wikipedia. not going to sugar-coat that. Babe is about a talking pig and it's fucking amazing and you know it. When you specifically call me out, and I specifically call something "one of the top two or three television series ever made, right up there with The Wire" it's a straight-up dick move to not give me the benefit of the doubt, particularly when you're sitting here waxing eloquent about Ghost in the Shell. Fuckin' Wikipedia. Congrats. You successfully hurt my feelings and snubbed my suggestions.
I have no problem going old school. I'll look into doing Netflix's mail service to check it out. It might open me up to more options too, which is always great. I think I'll probably give up on Patlabor then. If it feels like there's more effort to watching it than I get out of enjoying it, there's not much point. So, with the three cartoons that I glossed over. I didn't gloss over them to hurt your feelings in the slightest and I am truly sorry because your opinions and advice is highly valued by me. If it makes you feel any better, I didn't try to wax eloquent about A Ghost in the Shell, just give it a fair shake. I wasn't blown away by it like I was watching say, Princess Monoke if we're talking about anime or A Fistful of Dollars and Yojimbo if we're talking about films in general. There's a lot going on with all three that make me feel iffy about them, some of them having to do with the actual premises of the shows and some of them about the stereotypes and cultural context that revolves around anime in general. If you want, I have the afternoon free and I think I'd be somewhat willing to talk on here why I'm uncomfortable with all free, though I don't know how comfortable I'd be talking about something that makes me uncomfortable because I don't know how deep that rabbit hole I'd want to go down. If you want to talk about them though, because I do think there's some good insight though, let me know. It might lead to something interesting.
It still boils down to you disregarding a solicited opinion in favor of your personal opinion of a crowdsourced distillation. Particularly when I said the best way to experience Madoka is to go into it blind with no expectations. You can't talk about why you're uncomfortable with all three because you don't know anything about them - you're uncomfortable with your interpretation of Wiki's interpretation of them and you're still placing that second-level distillation above first-hand recommendations that you specifically requested, and it's still a dick move. But sure - explain to me why an anime about a transvestite lounge singer attempting to defeat a world filled with alien sympathizers is A-OK but a deconstruction of Sailor Moon gives you the willies.
Fuck it. Shit's too hard. I've been trying for two hours typing everything out and I'm not even half done. The TL:DR of it? I'm a snobbish prude who is often afraid to try new things out of my comfort zone for a myriad of reasons, many legit but some probably silly. I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings bro. I really am. I'm more torn up about that than anything. Also, I don't know what show has a transvestite lounge singer who uses her powers to manipulate people, but that sounds kind of fucked up. I'm gonna go for a drive.
That's fine. List five movies you love and why and five movies you hate and why. I'm willing to bet you won't surprise me. There's a long list of anime that I wouldn't recommend because some of it is straight-up freaky and I'm not gonna suggest Takashi Miike to people that I don't think are well within the parameters of liking a Miike film, but no one is suggesting you watch something that wasn't legit on broadcast television. It comes down to trust. Do you have reason to trust my recommendations? Yes. Do you have reason to distrust my recommendations? Not as of yet. And it's not like I'm asking you to jump out of a plane. And it's not like you started this discussion with "but don't recommend anything with bananas in it because I have a phobia." And it's not like the stuff that's a little weird I didn't put straight up front: But keep in mind: That was deemed so innocuous that it was shown to American kids after school on broadcast television. So if that's some sort of bizarre trigger warning for you, that's the sort of thing you want to disclose ahead of time. Like I did. Here's what you outlined: So. Either you trust me to not recommend something with "over the top violence, sex and gore" or you don't. And if you don't, why even ask?and then we follow a band of guerillas as they try to find their pickup point while also discovering that most of humanity doesn't much mind oppressive alien domination. Also one of the fighter pilots is a transvestite lounge singer named Yellow Belmont because Japan.
here's a lot of things that turn me off, needlessly drawn out plotlines (Dragonball Z and Initial D come to mind), overly sentimental characters (what's with an emotional monologue in the heat of battle?), weird shit with teenage kids, over the top violence, sex, and gore that arguably doesn't have artistic merit, etc.
I love A LOT of movies, of all sorts of genres from westerns and heist films to comedies to indy films with certain attributes that make them good, even if they're a bit hard to pin down. Here's a list of five that I picked by staring at my DVD shelf and just going with whatever stood out to me. Yojimbo / A Fistful of Dollars – For all intents and purposes, I put these films together almost all the time, as one is pretty much a direct remake of the other. I absolutely love them both though, and think they're two of the best examples of their genres, Samurai Stories and Westerns. The protagonist is strong willed, a skilled fighter, and a surprisingly compassionate person. He uses his wits to not only navigate around a difficult situation in a small town, but navigate it in such a way that he comes out on top. In both films much the supporting cast feel very fleshed out and believable, making you as a viewer that much more concerned about not what just happens to the hero, but everyone involved. Both films are wonderfully paced and beautifully shot. The fact that they're over 50 years old at this point but don't feel a bit dated to me is a testament to how well they were made. Lawless – I am going to admit right off the bat that this movie isn't anything spectacular, but it's not awful either There are two things about this movie though that I absolutely love. I absolutely love the overall theme of the character Jack Bondurant stepping out his older brothers' shadows, learning to become a man of value in his own way on his own terms. Instead of muscles, he uses his brains. Instead of playing it safe, he tries something new and takes risks in hopes of a big payoff. At the same time, he falls victim to his own hubris and it comes to bite him in the ass. The other thing I love about this movie? The villain, Charlie Rakes. He's scum. Creepy, violent, nasty, weird, scum. Watching this movie with the scenes he's in is so cathartic because he's just so, so enjoyable to hate and despise. This movie is pretty violent though, very brutal and realistic, but it fits in the context of the film and the story being told, so I don't feel it's gratuitous or over the top. Though, I do think it could be have been toned down a notch or two without much being lost. Smokey and the Bandit – This movie is '70s camp and light hearted action done perfectly. Every character is enjoyable in their own way and all of the actors have great comedic timing and chemistry with each other. While the camera work doesn't strike me as anything really revolutionary, they did an amazing job just capturing the thrill and the feeling of an amazing car, The Bandit Trans AM. It definitely feels dated and it definitely feels like it's a product of its time, but that doesn't in any way take away from this movie at all. It's just fun, fun, fun. The Rocketeer – There have been a lot of films through the years with classic pulp themes, from loved classics like Indiana Jones to dud adaptations like The Phantom. The one that sticks out to me the most as my favorite (not the best though, I think Indy probably gets that title) is The Rocketeer. There is so much I love about this movie, from the set design to props and costumes to the casting to the overall pace of the film as the story unfolds. The story itself is great, but the overall feel and tone of the movie really makes it memorable for me. When I first learned that Joe Johnston was going to direct the first Captain America movie, I got excited as hell and I knew he was going to do the material justice, all because of how wonderful I feel The Rocketeer turned out to be. Frank – Someone told me there's a deeper, underlying spiritual element to this film. I've watched it twice and haven't figured it out for myself yet, but I'll take his word for it. The message I pull away from it though, is that it's more important to embrace who you are and run with it than it is to sell out and try to be successful. Underlying messages aside, I absolutely love it for the characters involved and how they all interact with each other and how they're each fucked up and flawed in their own little ways. Other movies worth mentioning, Alien, Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels, Nine Queens, Drive, The Good, The Bad, The Weird, The Fifth Element, and way, way more. Seriously, I fucking love movies. Movies I hate. I've seen some bad movies. More than my fair share. The world of film is full of junk like The Day After Tomorrow and Without a Paddle. There are some movies though, that are arguably quite good, but just aren't my cup of tea for some reason or another, for example I think that Christopher Nolan's Batman trilogy is pretentious and poorly written. Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon – God. I wanted to enjoy this movie so bad, even watching it at two separate times in my life. It has a lot going for it on paper, being a critically acclaimed operatic story with some very deep themes. It's beautifully shot, well written, and is a perfect example as to how Eastern Cinema can potentially offer great films that the Western World can appreciate, both in terms of critical acclaim as well as financial success. That said, it's also incredibly dense and incredibly dull. The fact that I've seen this movie twice and can barely remember much of it says a lot as to how hard it was to pay attention and I love foreign films and martial arts films, though I'll readily admit Wuxia films aren't always my thing. The Texas Chainsaw Massacre Remake – Even though the horror genre isn't my cup of tea and I very rarely watch them, I'm willing to admit that there are movies in the genre that have artistic merit. I don't think this film is one of them. It is obscenely violent, gory, and senselessly cruel and I think instead of aiming to scare people through excitement and suspense, it aimed to scare them through miserable scenes and images. It's been over a decade since I've seen this movie and to this day I still regret it. M.A.S.H. – I love comedies and satires of all decades, from the Marx Brothers films to films like Airplane and Hot Shots to more recent films like The Hangover. I love M.A.S.H. the television series. I really, really wanted to love this film, but I didn't. The whole thing though felt like one big, disconnected mess. To me, it just seemed to wander, with no real big picture or goal in mind. It's not a bad film, it just didn't do it for me. In my mind, it'll always be that movie where a bunch of war surgeons did a bunch of random things until everyone decided to get together and play football. Full Metal Jacket – I'm not going to lie. I stopped watching this movie immediately after Pyle's suicide scene in the bathroom. Emotionally, this movie was just way too much to handle. I think that's actually a pretty good testament to Kubrick's ability to tell a story. American Gangster – I would arguably call this a good film. The story is compelling, it's well shot, wonderfully paced, captures the feel of the period very well, and overall it's just very well done. I don't think though, that I can honestly say I enjoyed it. None of the characters felt emotionally compelling to me to where I was concerned about who they were, what they were doing, and what was going to happen to them. Similarly, there is a very real, developing plot throughout the film, but the whole time it seems like less of a story and more like just a series of events. I hate to sound pretentious as fuck here, but to me it felt very competently made but also very bland. I don't want bland from my movies. If I want bland, I'll eat a bowl of white rice flavored with salt and a touch of butter. As for the recommendations, I do trust you, very much so and I do very much value your input. So much so that when you recommend stuff to other people, I often find myself opening a tab to see what you're talking about. I think though, that in my mind, my asking for recommendations isn't a social obligation on my part to check everything out. If I did, I'd never have enough time to read everything, see everything, and listen to everything that people tell me to check out. To me, recommendations, like review websites and story synopsis, are a tool for me to investigate whether I should invest further time looking into something. So that's part of why I ask. The other part though, it's a huge part of why I post on Hubski in the first place. I like to see what discussions come out of the questions that are asked and the things that are shared. Look at this thread alone, where you've gone on to discuss the merits of both The Matrix as well as Star Wars in the world of sci-fi. Hell, look at my camera thread from just a bit back, where we talked about Edwin Land and his contributions to America during The Cold War. Conversations like that, to me, are much, much more important than me spending and afternoon in front of the television. Conversations like that lead to discovery and learning, the broadening of horizons, and most importantly, developing relationships with your peers based upon shared interests. I could easily google the top ten critically acclaimed anime cartoons of each decade and go from there. But I don't want to, because I can't converse with google. I can converse with you though and everyone else on Hubski and I think that's more important than anything.
It may interest you to know that I, too, find Nolan's Batman trilogy to be poorly-written. I also have minimal patience for most Altman films (MASH was filmed without a script, BTW) and I would dismiss the schlock horror/gore genre out-of-hand. Most people give up on Kubrick in the 3rd act, not the 2nd, but it's easy to argue that the most important parts of FMJ are finished with Pyle. I've never made it more than 20 minutes into Crouching Tiger but it's a rare Kurusawa I don't enjoy (couldn't quite make it through Ikiru, feel guilty about it, will try again some time). And you're right - they're just movie recommendations. But they're just movie recommendations. When you frontload it like this: You'd think I'd asked you to accept Ctulhu as your one true savior or tried to sell you some Amway products. More than that, you're acting as if I've thrown some horrendous curveball your way and I'e made you uncomfortable by doing so. But worst of all, you didn't ask me if I'd thrown some horrendous curveball your way - "lol these look kinda weird are you sure?" - you're acting as if I tried to sneak a Peter Greenaway film into your rotation because I've decided you need to be a cinema aesthete and you were too shocked to bring it up. So if you "like to see what discussions come out of the questions that are asked and the things that are shared", here's what comes out of them. When you double down on prudish horror at the suggestion of one series over another, rather than try to have a discussion about something you're unsure about, the discussion becomes about the discussion rather than the movie. 'cuz see, we could have a hell of a discussion about Madoka Magica. Instead we're sitting here acknowledging that we both probably liked Ran. LET'S BE PERFECTLY CLEAR: 90% of anime is pure shit. I'd say 50% of the anime that most americans love is pure shit. Dragonball? Shit. Pokemon? Shit. Fullmetal Alchemist? Well... I gave it about ten episodes and I was pretty goddamn unimpressed. Attack on Titan? Truly the fuckin' emo scenekids of kaiju anime. So when you ask for anime, my response is mostly going to be "here is a carefully-curated list of things I don't think are shit." Madoka, on the other hand, is a fucking physical anomaly. I'm not entirely sure how it got made. It's as if Tata somehow produced a GT40. You'd want a motorsports fan to know that. Hell, you'd want someone with a passing interest in cars to know that. And you'd be pretty fucking weirded out if they ran away screaming "Behind me satan!" So yay broadening horizons and boo shitting down the neck of people who are trying. Watch whatever the fuck you want to watch but do me a solid and try not to paint me up as the weirdo for answering the recommendations you specifically asked me for.Can I be honest? I'm gonna be honest here. I will fully admit that I intentionally glossed over those particular titles. All three of those cartoons seem really and uncomfortably weird to me and I didn't want to hurt your feelings or feel like I was snubbing your suggestions. It's like someone telling me that I need to see Eraserhead or A Clockwork Orange because they're classic cinema, but I've seen bits and pieces of both and know enough of both that I'd be extremely uncomfortable watching them and wouldn't appreciate them. I feel the same is true for those three titles from what I read about them on Wikipedia. I'm sorry. :/
Sturgeon's Law almost always applies.90% of anime is pure shit
You know, I think at this point this isn't a healthy conversation for us to have. We're not seeing eye to eye and all we're doing is making each other upset. We have a lot in common and a lot we enjoy sharing with each other and I don't want to jeopardize that over this thread. Let's call it a day, take a breather for a bit, so we can continue going about life as friends.