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kleinbl00  ·  4698 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: We're Eating Less Meat. Why? - NYTimes.com
Interesting.

My wife is a naturopathic doctor. I'm pretty well marinated in every possible permutation of diet and nutrition from a clinician's point of view. Yet it wasn't from her that I got the notion of eating beef twice a week or less.

And you know? That's fuckin' easy. Not only that, but it makes you only buy beef you value.

Apropos of nothing, we got a pressure cooker for christmas. Which means the beans that used to take all afternoon to cook after soaking all night the night before now cook in half an hour. And hey - 3 cups of rice and 2 cups of beans equals five meals for about $3. We do that maybe once a week.





fr33lunch  ·  4698 days ago  ·  link  ·  
My wife is studying to become a naturopath.

Pressure cookers are great for beans. I also cooked a bunch of crock pot meals in November and froze half of them for later. We have been enjoying all month. It feels great to eat homemade stew that you can heat in 20 minutes.

If you guys like brown rice I have a new technique for cooking it. Treat it like pasta. So instead of the normal two to one ratio, try a four to one ratio of stock to rice. Cook on med-high for about 30 minutes and drain like pasta when done. So much easier this way. Good luck!

kleinbl00  ·  4697 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Where is your wife studying? There's a very real possibility that her herbal medicine section uses a book written by my wife when she was at Bastyr.

I've used your method for wild rice. Works great. For brown rice I just go with the rice cooker.

fr33lunch  ·  4694 days ago  ·  link  ·  
She has a few classes to go, but is planning to go to Pacific College of Oriental Medicine. She thought about Bastyr, but we live in San Diego. It woulds solely by luck that an accredited school was in our own back yard, otherwise we would have moved to Seattle or Chicago. How long has your wife been a Naturopath? Where does she practice?

I haven't had much luck with brown rice in the rice cooker, which is why I went looking for alternatives. I think the culprit might have been the cheap-o rice cooker we inherited from an old roommate. I just have a hard time parting with my $ for something that doesn't go in my tool box or office.

thenewgreen  ·  4697 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Kb and fr33lunch do either of you (or your respective wives) have a vegetarian cook book (or just a good cookbook with some veggie options) that you could suggest? My wife and I used to cook on Sundays and then have meals all week and I think it's time we resumed this tradition (this kitchen needs some more action).

Pressure cooker -I'm on it.

d_e_solomon  ·  4697 days ago  ·  link  ·  
My wife uses "The Vegetarian Epicure" to feed me (I'm a vegetarian), and everything she cooks out of it is delicious.
thenewgreen  ·  4697 days ago  ·  link  ·  
thank you very much!! I shall engulf myself in this book.
zmagma  ·  4697 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Veg for 5 years here and one grain I would highly recommend is Quinoa. It's originally from the South American Altiplano and was a staple food for societies like the Incas. And that's not surprising given it's uncannily great nutritional value: a complete protein source, and high amounts of Fe and Mg. In terms of texture, I'd say its a hybrid between rice and pasta that's slightly crisp. And the best part is that it cooks in roughly 10 minutes in a regular pot! As far as recipes go, it's reaaally versatile: salad, sub for rice (with beans), and even oatmeal type preparations. I've developed my own Indian Pilaf recipe with vegetables; ping me if you'd like the recipe.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quinoa#Nutritional_value

thenewgreen  ·  4697 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Thanks! I actually like quinoa a lot and have been cooking with it for some time. You are right, it's very versatile. I was in Peru about a year and a half ago and was looking forward to trying some there but it isn't as plentiful as it once was. Why? Because of it's gaining popularity in places like the US: "Yet the higher prices quinoa is fetching have had an unanticipated impact where the grain is grown. Some local children are showing signs of malnutrition because their parents have substituted rice and noodles for quinoa in the family diet, said Walter Severo, president of a quinoa producer's group in southwest Bolivia".

It's a wonderful grain, I do feel a bit guilty buying it though.

Read more: http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/lifestyle/2011/01/07/quinoa...

Ping.

fr33lunch  ·  4694 days ago  ·  link  ·  
I read about that last year when the story broke. Interesting paradox. Accelerated farming leads to higher prices and higher wages for workers, the grain's prices rise higher than the average wages.

Fair Trade Quinoa should really help end that issue. Alter Eco is one such brand you could look for if you wanted to have an impact. http://hubski.com/pub?id=14237

zmagma  ·  4696 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Thanks for the link. Dude, we should just start a quinoa farm in the Canadian Rockies to help drive down bulk costs. It's really unfortunate what's happening there. I was also in Peru & Bolivia exactly a year ago and was fortunate to have some tasty quinoa soup although it was tough to find. The people there don't live on much and still have their basic necessities taken away such as quinoa and even water! (check out the movie "Tambien La Lluvia."

Here's the recipe (spices will be cheapest at a local indian spice/grocery shop):

Indian Quin-Laaf

1 cup quinoa ~ 2 cups Water Salt Asafoetida Oil 2 whole Chili peppers (fresh Serrano or Thai) 3 table spoons of slivered almonds 1 medium onion chopped 1 medium/large zucchini diced ½ cup of diced mushroom 1 heaping tablespoon of grated ginger ½ cup of freshly chopped cilantro Spice Mixture 1: ½ teaspoon mustard seeds ¼ teaspoon fenugreek seeds ¼ teaspoon black cumin seeds ¼ teaspoon fennel seeds Spice Mixture 2: 1.5 teaspoon ground cumin powder 1.5 teaspoon ground coriander powder ¼ teaspoon ground turmeric powder 1 teaspoon ground chilli powder

Boil 1 cup of Quinoa with 1.75 cups of water, half a teaspoon of salt, and a pinch of asafoetida on medium heat & uncovered. After 10 minutes, water should have absorbed/evaporated and quinoa should be cooked. Set aside. In a separate fry pan/wok, add 2 tablespoons of oil and medium heat. Add Spice mixture 1 , chilli peppers, and slivered almonds. Mix and let heat/toast. Once Mustard seeds start popping, add chopped onions. Saute on Medium-Low heat until onions have become shiny & translucent. Add diced zucchini and mushroom. While simmering on low heat, add spice mixture 2 in a small bowl with 1/8 cup of water and mix well with fork or whisk. Once mixed, add to pan and mix everything together well. Let the spices & veggies cook together for at least 3 min and until vegetables are at desired crisp level. Now add cooked quinoa, half a tablespoon of salt, grated ginger and mix everything together. Serve in dish and top with chopped fresh cilantro. (Yields 3-4 servings)

Enjoy.

thenewgreen  ·  4554 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Alright, I have had this quinoa sitting in my pantry for almost 100 days now with the intention of cooking your recipe. Alas, I've not yet gotten the spices to make it. That said, maybe its better I experiment with quinoa on my own first. I'm cooking it right now. I used vegetable stock, white wine a ton of garlic, mushrooms, shallots and some greens. Flavored with some sriracha, soy and a touch of maple syrup.

Turned out well:

The Stage

The Players

The Performance

Best part was, I found out that my 18 month old daughter LOVES quinoa.

Thanks zmagma, next stop... your recipe!

zmagma  ·  4554 days ago  ·  link  ·  
I am thoroughly impressed. Gorgeous performance!

Is that tofu or paneer in your dish?? And what greens did you use? Bok choy? I think I'm going to try this recipe sometime this week!

thenewgreen  ·  4554 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Thank you! It's tofu with sriracha, soy and a little mae syrup. Also, the greens are Bok Choy and a few al dente cucumbers too. Enjoy!
zmagma  ·  4553 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Sounds great. I'll have to use the Sambal Olek sauce as a substitute. Thanks!
thenewgreen  ·  4696 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Thank you very much, I look forward to preparing this. I'm going to make this tomorrow night. I've never used Asafoetida before.

What did you think of Bolivia? I wish I could have travelled there too. My wife was doing an away rotation in Peru and I took the opportunity to visit her and make a trek to Machu Picchu, it was amazing.

Thanks again.

zmagma  ·  4696 days ago  ·  link  ·  
You're welcome sir. Let me know how it turns out and what you think. Asafoetida is quite potent so be very conservative when adding that pinch. It's actually powder from crystallized tree sap (forget which tree).

Bolivia was a true gem and beyond unforgettable. The locals there were the warmest I've met since they're so grateful in meeting tourists, let alone Americans. And the terrain, although landlocked, is like visiting another another planet (Salt flats, Amazon basin, Lake Titicaca). I highly recommend. I agree with you on the trek up to Machu Picchu, one of the most strenuous yet edifying experiences!

thenewgreen  ·  4694 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Just thought I'd let you know that I haven't had an opportunity to make this yet. I really look forward to it! I'll let you know how it turns out. Thanks again!!
zmagma  ·  4693 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Sounds good! I'm not sure what kind of experience you have with those spices, but at any rate - if you have any questions about them, feel free to let me know. Good luck.
fr33lunch  ·  4697 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Vegan yum yum, by Lauren Ulm. Eat, drink & be vegan, by Deena Burton. Vegan with a vengeance, by Isa Chandra Moskowitz. Also Clean Food, by Terry Walters is really good for eating local and seasonal. I would avoid Alicia Silverstone's the kind diet unless you really like daikon. Veg web.com is a great resource as well if you want veggie but not vegan recipes.
thenewgreen  ·  4697 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Thanks a lot, I'll start with the Terry Walters "Also Clean Food". Ordering it now.
fr33lunch  ·  4694 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Sorry it should read, Clean Food, by Terry Walters.
thenewgreen  ·  4694 days ago  ·  link  ·  
No problem, I found it. It should be there by Friday. Any favorites?
fr33lunch  ·  4694 days ago  ·  link  ·  
The first 30 or so pages are an introduction to "Clean Food". Meaning clean for your body, clean for the environment, etc. I found that information to be good, because you can easily be lost when looking at a recipe calling for Amaranth, Teff, Millet, Hijiki, or Aduki. The book groups recipes by season-- Or what you can find ripe and local during a given growing season.

Spring: The simple Hummus recipe, great. Yams with ginger and lime, so good. Swiss chard with roasted golden beets and sweet peas (All of which I grow in the spring because of this recipe), sofa king good -- add some chevre for a dairy treat.

Summer: Fingerling potatoes and green beans with lemon dill dressing. Pad Thai summer rolls with tamarind dipping sauce. Sprouted Quinoa Tabbouleh -- This one I'm actually making tomorrow for my sister by request. I roast the tomatoes and add roasted pepitas too.

...You get the gist. Lots of good stuff. If you could try one new recipe a week, you'll love food as much as Ash and I.

thenewgreen  ·  4687 days ago  ·  link  ·  
http://i.imgur.com/83Aa7.jpg -You and Ash need to visit. I promise you will eat like kings/queens!
thenewgreen  ·  4694 days ago  ·  link  ·  
A new recipe a week sounds like a realistic and attainable goal. If I can get Jo on board (and I think I can) we may even get two a week out of it. It would actually be fun to pick what the other person cooks. Kind of like a food challenge. We are both so competitive that we would probably end up with some good stuff.
mk  ·  4697 days ago  ·  link  ·  
And you know? That's fuckin' easy. Not only that, but it makes you only buy beef you value.

gq is practically a vegetarian, so my meat consumption has declined considerably on her account. However, that is exactly what we do. When we do eat meat, it's the organic free-ranged or grass fed stuff. OMG does it make a difference.

Looking at our friends and family, I can't find anyone in their 30's or younger that doesn't eat less meat than my parents served. Also, I would say that across the board, it's a conscious health choice.

gq also introduced me to the pressure cooker. Everyone should have one. That, and a rice cooker.

alpha0  ·  4697 days ago  ·  link  ·  
> gq also introduced me to the pressure cooker. Everyone should have one. That, and a rice cooker.

All very sensible. But let's be honest, not quite fun, mk :)

http://www.bbqguys.com/item_item_481.html

(I got mine this past summer. I even get to boil the water for the coffee after the meal since it keeps going for a while. Hammock not included ;)

kleinbl00  ·  4697 days ago  ·  link  ·  
I had an interesting discussion with a friend who lives out in dairy country up in NW Washington. She said that she found grass-fed beef to be tougher than regular beef - she bought a side of cattle last year. I, myself, have not found this to be true... but the only way I typically eat meat is in burgers and broccoli beef.
mk  ·  4697 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Huh, I've never noticed. But, I have noticed a difference in taste, and that's a bigger motivator for me, (behind not eating hormones and antibiotics).

TBH, I don't mind my meat to be a bit tough, if it is tough in the right way. Flank steak is always going to be flank steak, and I'm not a fan of those tough threads of sinew. But, I don't mind at all if my sirloin has a bit more chew. Grass or corn fed, sirloin isn't going to get strings of stuff stuck between my teeth.

thenewgreen  ·  4697 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Conventional meat is always going to be more tender due to the lack of movement. There's a reason that the japanese cows are massaged and fed beer and just basically lay around... they don't flex there muscles as often as free range grass fed cows. The tenderness of the beef has less to do with what it's fed than how it lives.

The most tender parts of the cow are often what are referred to as "reactionary" muscles. These are the parts of the animal that aren't used all the time and are therefore more tender. A great example of this is the "hanging tender", which is a muscle that's just kind of... there. It serves no function and because of this, damn does it make for some good eats. http://www.smartkitchen.com/resources/hanging-tender

So, the trade off is that cows that are treated like shit all there lives will likely be more tender because they've rarely been allowed to move.

thenewgreen  ·  4697 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Life is indeed too short to eat crappy meat, veggies, fruit etc. I feel the same way about wine/drink. I never understood why some people will save a lesser wine so they can "cook with it". If I can't drink it, why would I want to eat it?

It used to be that being "plump" was attractive because it showed that you could afford to afford to eat plenty and meat was a big part of that. Now a days, it's in vogue to be healthy. To be thin and in shape shows that you have time and resources to dedicate to such things. To have a tan no longer means you worked in the fields all day, it means you went to the spa.

Having a "whole foods" tote bag would be far more fashionable than a "Certified Angus Beef" one.

It's a marketing movement, it just happens to be one I'm not against.