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cgod · 4730 days ago · link · · parent · post: Obama Insisted on Indefinite Detentions of Citizens

No surprises here. 50,000 national security letters in one year. That is 50,000 warrentless searches with no option of judicial over site. Obama gives a shit about constitutional rights, hell he is probably just salivating at the chance to do something with his presidency that hasn't been foreordained by Nancy Pilosy or Harry Reid.

He is a legislative inept president, with no administrational experience, thus no leadership abilities. He is almost unable to communicate with the general public. Most of his successes can be chalked up to good cabinet choices (Pennetta, Clinton, Gates ect). His record on civil liberties is dismal. The only civil rights initiatives that his administration has pushed are voting rights related, which is probably only at the behest of his party. Pretty much the final straw for me, I have no faith in this guy. Write a song about this newgreen.

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AnSionnachRua · 4730 days ago · link ·

I like how thenewgreen is hubski's official music-man.

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thenewgreen · 4730 days ago · link ·

Ha, thanks AnSionnachRua. , I really should write a song about this to stand in juxtaposition to this: http://hubski.com/pub?id=3162

As mk put it, I guess he fooled me. I'm not too proud to admit that.

Any suggestions on lyrics are most welcome. I'll do it, these things are fun.

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b_b · 4730 days ago · link ·

Fooled all of us. It seems the one thing that liberal and conservatives agree on in government is that fascism is good. With all the long detentions and corporate welfare its not hard to imagine the road to an actual fascist state. I'm not predicting it, but I'm just saying that the conditions are right.

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thenewgreen · 4730 days ago · link ·

Right now just seems like such a good opportunity for someone to rise up out of all this bull shit and win as a 3rd party candidate. I hope that is right and the http://www.americanselect.org/ works. I like the idea, "pick a president, not a party".

There has got to be someone out there with the ideas/charisma to pull it off. But, of course they would also have to have the $. I have a feeling that this election year is going to be unlike anything we've ever seen. Time will tell if the OWS movement holds sway over the discourse. I think it will.

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b_b · 4730 days ago · link ·

You're more optimistic than me. A slight outsider can't even win a party nomination. Remember in 2000 when McCain and Bradley were running and gathering steam? Lots of people were excited about them at the time, and eventually the parties circled their wagons around whom they wanted and we ended up with an election of Bush-Gore, aka the two worst candidates in recent memory. The parties always win, because they write the rules of the game.

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mk · 4730 days ago · link ·

Actually, I think this is the year it might happen. Obama has sqaundered his support of the left, and the GOP has Romney, who obviously isn't going to be able to bring a vision of change. The left and right are disatisfied, and that's the narrative. However, no block is currently more disatisfied than the Independents. The Americans Elect candidate will be socially liberal, and fiscally moderate. That's what web voters want on average. As long as this candidate has charisma, he/she is going to become the beneficiary of widespread discontent.

This is not going to be your typical rich guy with some crazy ideas from his favorite book.

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ecib · 4728 days ago · link ·

So I am just as disappointed. We were quite literally hoodwinked. But here is the question. What are you going to do in the general election when we are faced with the very real possibility of a Republican president. Both parties are to blame for their record on civil rights. But look at this link regarding the Patriot Act:

http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/ng2ls/american_pat...

If you are looking to build on any existing opposition you're looking at the Dems. I think we need a major overhaul and I'm hoping there is enough anger to just throw an unprecedented number of reps out when the elections come. Hopefully then we can start trying to push the Dems to the left in the way the Republican activists have successfully pushed the Republicans (and the Dems by extension) to the right. I dunno. It is such an uphill battle.

But the bottom line is that I don't want to vote for Obama but I really really really don't want a Republican in the White House. Yes, I am one of those people that do in fact believe that that would be worse, -not the same.

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thenewgreen · 4728 days ago · link ·

I tend to agree that almost any GOP candidate would be worse than Obama simply because he is a Democrat and is (in theory) beholden to uphold some of the values I hold dear. I really think mk has a point that right now is the ideal environment for a 3rd party candidate to not just "have an impact" but to even win the election. Someone that can grab the middle and still appeal to the tea party and ows crowd could win. There is more in common between the TP and OWS movement than either side would care to admit.

The question is who? .. and how will they get funded? It's no secret that money wins elections. Combine $ with a sensible platform of reduced spending and increased revenues and you may have a winner.mk I think you should run. I'd gladly help you any way I could. I'm serious.