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user-inactivated  ·  4284 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: New York Cops Will Arrest You for Carrying Condoms

Sounds to me like they arrest people who loiter, approach people, and in short generally act like prostitutes.

EDIT: I've read Molly Crabapple before, I'm almost sure. According to Wikipedia, she started her career drawing for a pornographic magazine, which strikes me as vaguely hypocritical.





user-inactivated  ·  4284 days ago  ·  link  ·  

if loitering is a crime, they can be charged with that. it shouldn't be automatically upgraded to a sex crime just because they're female or trans. and it's pretty much impossible to be on the street in NYC and not interact with somebody.

your definition of "act like prostitutes" seems overly broad. prostitutes have sex with people for money. if you're not doing that, you're not acting like a prostitute.

    she started her career drawing for a pornographic magazine, which strikes me as vaguely hypocritical.

uh... what?

hugitout  ·  4283 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I get that loitering can be a legit problem, but standing outside for half an hour? Poor girl was likely just waiting for a drive from someone! I think that "loitering for the purpose of prostitution" is just the name of the crime she is charged for, not an upgraded loitering charge. I could be wrong here, its just my interpretation. There has got to be a few human rights violations here. Keeping a condom in my wallet should not be a crime. Carrying change in my pocket, ditto. Would these charges really hold up in court?

MattholomewCup  ·  4284 days ago  ·  link  ·  

So "standing around and talking to people while female/trans/genderqueer" is what makes someone a prostitute? I thought that the job involved some sex, not just being a street-based Wal-Mart greeter. The only sufficient evidence to arrest someone for prostitution is having sex in exchange for money, as far as I'm aware.

Also why would her career choices make her a hypocrite? She's very obviously a sex-positive feminist, so...

b_b  ·  4284 days ago  ·  link  ·  

My guess is that this law would be struck down by any reasonable judge. But the problem is that to challenge a law takes a shit load of time and resources, and I'm pretty sure that not too many well-to-do folks with nothing better to do than fight tyranny have been arrested under this law. If the ACLU really wanted to get involved they could have someone get arrested intentionally (a la Scopes Monkey Trial) to attempt a challenge. Not sure anyone would be willing to take the risk of having an "attempted prostitution" conviction on record.

glitchinthematrix  ·  4270 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Right on point. I was about to mention that the problem is that the system is working backwards. Innocent until proven guilty? Absolutely! But why don't you come downtown with us for a couple nights or until you make bail....

user92  ·  4284 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I don't think you have to actually have sex, simply agreeing to have sex and then taking money seems to be enough to get most people arrested in prostitution stings.

Source: COPS

MattholomewCup  ·  4284 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Fair point. I modify my prior comment accordingly to read that agreeing to have sex in exchange for money is sufficient.

user-inactivated  ·  4284 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Because heaven help us if women start going outside and talking to strangers.

user-inactivated  ·  4284 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Do you ... know a lot of women who tend to do that exact thing in seedy neighborhoods?

I'm for prostitution's legalization in general, but this article is ridiculous and Molly Crabapple is not a journalist.

user-inactivated  ·  4284 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Who wear shorts and stand around talking to passersby? I live in a warm city, the Baptist youth group girls who hand out tracts on Sunday afternoon meet that description.