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am_Unition  ·  1012 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Hackers Just Leaked the Names of 92,000 ‘Freedom Convoy’ Donors

I'm anti-doxxing, so hopefully the handoff of the most sensitive info to journalists and the subsequent publications goes well.

But damn if I don't support comms disruption (sorry for the domain, hard to find good coverage). "Ram Ranch", lol.

I was wrong. This "movement" didn't manage to disrupt the superbowl. Still, I think the model of disrupting inner cities like was/is used in Ottawa is going to be employed here in the states pretty soon. Conversely, majorly impacting corporate profits, like e.g. blockading US-Canada border bridges, will NOT be allowed by police.

edit: oof, Trudeau just moved to freeze the bank accounts of protestors. SlipperySlope.gif :/





kleinbl00  ·  1012 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Lol dude if this were Black Lives Matter they would have "civil forfeitured" their trucks, their bank accounts and their real estate the minute they pulled the parking brakes. Slippery slope my ass in the United States black or brown people who disrupt interstate commerce would be charged as terrorists and subjected to the full rapacious hedonism of the system.

Frankly our laws would allow THE UNITED STATES to take a flyer at Canadian truckers, IN CANADA.

Quatrarius  ·  1012 days ago  ·  link  ·  

yeah, fuck em - the state gives right wing protesters hugs and kisses and shoots left wing protesters in the streets already without an excuse, that's not going to change how anybody behaves except for the 0.1 percent of people that actually care about hypocrisy

am_Unition  ·  1011 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I know, amigo.

Shit's more buddybuddy than a postgame intramural handslap line.

And the overlap between law enforcement and the "anti-mandate" (whatever the fuck that means, it seems to just mean "white anarchy advocates") advocates is even more in the US.

You peeps are preaching to the choir director, but sometimes I like to pretend a highroad still exists. Like right-wing information networks aren't completely insular. Like the historical record matters, in this moment.

We are doomed to lose, I think. Like, all of us, the entire society. #doomer

mk  ·  1011 days ago  ·  link  ·  

This is true. But goddamn I don't want to feel like it's ok to abuse civil liberties of people I disagree with. I am sick of whiny white extremists, I really am. But I am disturbed how our public servants keep taking away our liberties in the name of a cause, no matter how just. We are being played.

We need due process for everyone.

kleinbl00  ·  1011 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    But goddamn I don't want to feel like it's ok to abuse civil liberties of people I disagree with.

It has been happening your entire goddamn life but now that it's white people across the Canadian border you're tweakin'. Your choice: Read a book

Or get hectored by John Oliver for fifteen minutes.

mk  ·  1011 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It's not just civil forfeiture and militarization of the police, it's the Patriot Act, the creep of KYC/AML, etc. I've been tweaking all along.

kleinbl00  ·  1011 days ago  ·  link  ·  

As a white guy tho you're safe.

EIGHTEEN FBI agents raided my dad's house looking for plutonium. Then they raided his other house because they weren't even smart enough to contextualize the raid. Had my dad been brown? That would have been a no-knock warrant with battering ram and flash-bangs. I know this because I had a buddy who was looking for me one fine day, at the exact same house, who was white but happened to look native american and they had him in a stress position for thirty minutes after rolling four squad cars across the lawn at him, drawing weapons and holding a K9 a foot from his face barking and ready to murder.

DEVIL'S ADVOCACY: White people are itchy about the Patriot Act because it gives the police the right to treat white people like brown people.

mk  ·  1011 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    As a white guy tho you're safe.

For now, but that's not my concern. My concern is that authoritarian governance isn't going to be good for any of us, regardless of our color. "Just as bad for white people" isn't a good outcome, and also not the likely outcome.

Devil's Devil's Advocacy: White people pushback is good for all because the white male lawmakers are sympathetic in their ignorance.

kleinbl00  ·  1011 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I don't disagree? But my point is that caring more now is part of the problem. One need only look at the different applications of justice between Standing Rock and Malheur to illustrate that giving a shit about civil liberties only when people who look like us are imperiled is the whole of the issue.

mk  ·  1011 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Agreed. For white people that only came around now, it’s weak. But no one should be cool with the loss of liberty because it’s targeting someone they dislike. That’s the same brand of weak.

kleinbl00  ·  1011 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You know what would rule? For the Republican Party to get so up in their don't wear masks/don't teach critical race theory nonsense that they decide that impinging the liberties of anyone is unamerican.

The reason Malheur went as simply as it did was the whiplash reaction against Ruby Ridge/Waco/Etc under Clinton. They said as much.

If I were a liberal attorney general I would go after every redneck sonofabitch with the full goose-stepping authority vested in me. Provoke me some real backlash.

California's gun laws are as tough as they are because the Black Panthers practiced open carry. Be interesting to see Black Lives Matter adopt similar tactics.

circuit  ·  1012 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Still, I think the model of disrupting inner cities like was/is used in Ottawa is going to be employed here in the states pretty soon.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/sloly-ottawa-resigns-behaviour-leadership-1.6352295

If police chiefs are actually expected to criticize criminals, I think the protestors are so lazy that it'll be enough on it's own to prevent them. They have easier alternatives that won't get them assaulted in non-pacifist cities