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b_b  ·  4434 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Lil's Book of Questions: How Do You Know You Are You?

I'll ask a corollary question (I know, I know, not polite to answer with a question): Does each of us have a unique or multiple identities? I certainly feel like I have a singular identity: Me. But if the world were defining me, I think different people would define me in different ways, depending on how I interact with the particular subject. For example, at work I'm a scientist, and (I hope) a relatively serious one. People there know me as a problem solver, a writer, a teacher and a student, I suppose. In my personal life, my favorite pastime is ice hockey. The good friends I've made from hockey know me as a drunk with a tasteless sense of humor and lack of regard for personal safety.

And of course, just as with all of you, there are other groups whom I interact with in other ways. I don't think anyone can know you beyond how you interact with them, so it might be correct to say that each of us wears many hats and many costumes, depending on the company we keep. I know who I am at hockey, because I put on the number 11 sweater; and I know who I am here, because it says b_b in the top left corner. Each of these things comes with a unique history, context and set of expectations, and I'm therefore not sure that a better-than-superficial answer can ever be given to this question, even though each of us feels like us.

Maybe this is why most people are most comfortable around close friends and family; you don't really need to behave in any particular predefined way.





lil  ·  3639 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Given your sudden new roles and relationships and new status in the eyes of the state, has your "identity" changed in any way from how you described it two + years ago?

b_b  ·  3639 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Good question, lil. I would say I appear outwardly different in some appreciable ways. I got married and moved to the suburbs, both things I thought I'd never do. (There's a life lesson there about not speaking in absolutes, but that's neither here nor there right now.) Furthermore, I've been promoted at work twice since then, and now make what most people would consider to be a decent salary. By all accounts, I'm what one might consider a respectable member of society--an identity I never thought I'd have and never wanted! (I have a lawn for fuck's sake. I hate lawns. I've never mowed it, in my defense.)

I think when you're married you are forced to give and take some parts of your identity with your spouse, and I think that was one reason that I was so opposed to the idea; I never wanted to relinquish any part of me, as I viewed a strong sense of self as being central to maintaining independence and freedom. However, I've come to understand that in the ideal circumstance, we stand to gain a lot more than we lose when we have a true partner. In that sense, I don't think that my identity could be fully appreciated without considering my wife a part of it.

All that said, I don't feel like a different person, although I feel like a more complete person, a more mature and open-minded person. I'm not sure these things are really what make up one's identity though. But I did switch to #50, so I suppose I am pretty different.

lil  ·  3639 days ago  ·  link  ·  

NO WAY -- you dropped the #11. Wow!

so much to say, but I have to dive into the 3 feet of snow.

Later!

lil  ·  4434 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Hi b_b, thx for your comments.

"I know who I am at hockey, because I put on the number 11 sweater" - great line.

First of all, it's absolutely encouraged to answer a question with a question. The practice goes back to the Bible: God: Cain, where is Able your brother? Cain: Am I my brother's keeper?

Second, it's great that you feel singular and integrated in your me-ness. I feel that way too, and hope I am mostly consistent in my self-presentation (regardless of the particular role). My question came out of my close observation of another who is struggling with the falling away of one identity (scientist actually), and can't seem to self-define without it. I imagine there are other contributing circumstance.

I love the diversity in your life. Those of us who are lucky perhaps move through all these identities in an integrated way. All your identities will make it easier to cope in case one or more of the key ones are threatened. (A huge topic - identity - that I visit lightly from time to time.)

b_b  ·  4434 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I'm not sure I'd use the parable of Cain and Abel as my model to live by! Thanks for the vote of confidence though :)

Any teachers reading this? I think you guys have a life in which multiple versions of yourself might be the most pronounced, given the pressures to set a good example for young people.