Thanks, lil. Truth is - I don't want to try and engage in that kind of meaningful conversation with the group any more. I gave it a shot, and it failed. Too many people in my group are willing to engage in discussing rumours, talking behind people's backs and otherwise keeping the conversation about themselves. One should always strive to be their best, and upholding the conversation as you suggest is a valuable asset in communication between any two parties, but, with time, I found it more and more appealing to disengage and let them do their thing as long as my own hide is safe. Their lack of curiosity and ambition in education - even for the cleverest girl in the group - is what struck the final nail. I enjoy having such meaningful conversations on Hubski, and it's difficult for me to re-adjust for something more... self-centered.