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flac  ·  2905 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Pubski: December 14, 2016

SHIRTS, Y'ALL

Oh man, this week has some real bold moves. I feel like I am now post-taste, I can't even tell when I'm making insane things anymore.

Pictured here: the best my hair has ever looked, and a flannel dinosaur shirt. The fabric is all black and white, but I had the idea of buying some fabric markers and treating it like a coloring book. I plan on carrying around the markers with me when I wear it so that other people can fill in a dinosaur if they want.

Horrible horrible quality, but here's a picture pre-washing. Picture one is after the first wash, the colors become a bit more muted and pastel.

"You're not actually going to wear that in public, right?" - My Mom, 2k16.

Birds and flowers and flowers and birds. Did some fitting after I took this picture.

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It now takes me about 2 hours and 1.75 yards of fabric to make a short sleeve shirt, which is pretty exciting. I will probably be making a new shirt every other day until I leave, which leads me to:

Leaving for Portland in 15 days!

I am very excited.

EDIT: I just wanted to say thank you to everyone who has been giving me support and advice, I really do appreciate it. Thank you for finding value in my work.





ButterflyEffect  ·  2905 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Dude I would buy one of those dinosaur shirts.

flac  ·  2905 days ago  ·  link  ·  

PM me if you're interested, cost would be $30 (EDIT: or $40, or whatever you think is fair!) including markers.

steve  ·  2905 days ago  ·  link  ·  

INCLUDING MARKERS?!?!?!? Seriously flac - if you're creating bespoke shirts and including markers... you should be charging more.

(ducking so that ButterflyEffect and OB don't punch me in the throat)

user-inactivated  ·  2905 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Consider it flac. You could turn this into a legit business venture, but only if you appropriately compensate yourself for your time and effort. I honestly wouldn't hesitate to consider $60-$70 a shirt myself, especially since I'd be able to brag that it's hand made and that I know the guy who made it.

If you ever want to give denim another shot, let me know. I'd love a jacket. Dala says she could never have too many shoes. I say I could never have too many jackets.

flac  ·  2905 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I think part of it is that I personally have never paid $60 for any garment, so part of me feels strange charging that much for one.

That being said, I will definitely consider your advice, and I'll let you know next time I feel like making a jacket!

user-inactivated  ·  2905 days ago  ·  link  ·  

The garments you're buying ate mass produced at a factory for ridiculously cheap. You're not a factory mass producing clothing. You're a single person and an artist. There's value in that.

I don't know how much you check out the local art/artisan scene around you. Look at what people in your community are willing to pay for handmade quilts, hand blown glass, statues made of welded scrap metal, etc. You might find yourself surprised. Keep in mind though, "starving artist" exists as a term for a reason. Artisan works and art is not a get rich quick scheme. Often a lot of times these people have a very supportive and a very understanding spouse bringing in a regular 9-5 paycheck to make things work.

flac  ·  2905 days ago  ·  link  ·  

The artisan scene is part of what makes me really excited about Portland, not much of one where I am in CT though. I only buy/acquire clothes secondhand, but I do think taking into account the terrible system that makes insanely low first-hand prices possible is worthwhile.

I mainly think that it's hard for me to look at the artificially deflated prices of places like Walmart and not feel like I'm artificially inflating my prices if I charge, say, $60 a shirt.

goobster  ·  2905 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Think of it this way: If you charge $40 a shirt, you will be making basically $20/hr (at best), and you will be SLAMMED with orders. Say, 40 shirts a week. (Because sewing time is quickly going to be way overshadowed by fabric/button/fabric store time.)

That's $1600/wk. at a break-neck production pace.

Your hands, arms, shoulders, and eyes will quickly tire. The quality of life you have outside of "work" will deteriorate as you spend more time in pain, and less time on social things.

Or...

You could charge $100 a shirt, make 3 shirts a day, and still take home the same amount of money without damaging your body, health, or social life.

thenewgreen  ·  2904 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I think he could definitely command $100. That said, it's all about having access to the people that would pay $100. If you do't have access, you don't have sales. I think that a $50 shirt, including shipping - which shouldn't be more than $5 to anywhere in the US, is a good start. Once you can't keep pace with those orders, raise the price to $80 and so on...

You can always raise the price. No shame in that at all. But find your market first. Have people asking them "where did you get that shirt...?" and go from there.

Edit: Also, when you're starting a business you almost should be so busy your hands fall off. The more shirts he's making the better he will get. Much better for him to be cranking out 6 a day than 3, if nothing else so that he can further hone his craft.

steve  ·  2905 days ago  ·  link  ·  

The people who make Ferarri's don't drive them... In college I made loudspeakers that cost $225,000 a pair...

Trust that there is a market. I really, REALLY think you've tapped into something with the color-your-own-shirt thing.... above and beyond the awesomeness of your other shirts - which are nice enough to charge custom dollars for.

flac  ·  2905 days ago  ·  link  ·  

After thinking about it some more, I think you're right re: focusing on the color-your-own idea. I might try and find some screenprinters in Portland to collab on original designs.

user-inactivated  ·  2905 days ago  ·  link  ·  

For legal reasons, you might have to do that. Using other companies' prints for commercial profit could get a bit murky.

snoodog  ·  2905 days ago  ·  link  ·  

The "Value" comes from the custom tailoring. There was a company in Seattle that was selling custom sized shirts for about 80-100 each. They would take your measurements and then send those to their sweatshop in chindiadesh to be made. If you are hand making them for your customers thats how you earn your value. High quality materials, made locally and fits perfectly. Your time is too valuable to use the cheap fabrics but once you use high quality fabrics you become somewhat competitive on price and quality especially when you add in a $10 made in the USA/Local markup.

steve  ·  2905 days ago  ·  link  ·  
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b_b  ·  2905 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yeah I tend to agree. I think that double that might be a more fair price. If I wore collared shirts more often that's the price where I'd think I'd be getting a really good deal for a handmade shirt. $30 is criminal.

flac  ·  2905 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Eh, if making shirts starts to become a primary source of income I'll start charging more, but at this point I still consider it a hobby (that I can occasionally get some money for!)

But steve, if you ever want a shirt, it'll be $60 at leaat ;)

steve  ·  2905 days ago  ·  link  ·  

shit... I knew that was coming...

steve  ·  2905 days ago  ·  link  ·  

just ask TNG what he spends on his nice work shirts - I'd wager it's hella more than $30.

Now... I get that you're being super cool and giving a great rate to our little family here... but I tend to agree with rd95 - you could seriously make this into a thing. The minute I saw "including markers" I realized that you're sitting on a gold mine. Seriously.... this "Color your own dinosaur shirt" is so genius that it's FUCKING GENIUS. People will buy that shit up so fast it will make your head spin. b_b's right - I don't doubt you could make bespoke shirts for $60+.... add in the markers and the cool factor of coloring? that's a $90 shirt. ALL DAY LONG.

user-inactivated  ·  2905 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yeah flac, not to overwhelm you or nothing, but I just re-read one of your comments that says you spend about 2 hours a shirt. You should pay yourself a bare minimum of $10 an hour. $15-$20 is probably more fair to yourself. So down the road, if you do make something of this, don't hesitate to ask for more for your shirts. People who understand what "hand made" and "one of a kind" mean are willing to pay for that.

OftenBen  ·  2905 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I'd much rather give flac 60 of my hard earned dollars than Macys or something.

ArtemusBlank  ·  2905 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I would do it as well. His shirts are really nice.

flac  ·  2905 days ago  ·  link  ·  

(at the risk of sounding like a broken record: PM me if you would like one)

flac  ·  2905 days ago  ·  link  ·  

And I, certainly, would accept that sweet cash money.

thenewgreen  ·  2904 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I agree. He wanted to charge me $25 for my Hubski shirt. I insisted on $40. I still think I ripped him off. flac, drinks are on me when we meet in Portland this year. -Which we will!

flac  ·  2904 days ago  ·  link  ·  

TNG, you paid $15 above asking price, no need to feel like you ripped me off (though I'll still take the drinks any day)

Like steve, you can pay $60 for the next one ;)

steve  ·  2904 days ago  ·  link  ·  

thenewgreen  ·  2904 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Gladly!

OftenBen  ·  2905 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yeah same.

thenewgreen  ·  2903 days ago  ·  link  ·  
flac  ·  2903 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Nice modeling, looks like it fits reasonably well!

thenewgreen  ·  2903 days ago  ·  link  ·  

The fit is great! Thank you for the nice note too.

flac  ·  2903 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Absolutely, glad to know it fits! That'll make the next one easier ;)

WanderingEng  ·  2905 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I like the flowers and birds shirt, but the dinosaur one is awesome.

OftenBen  ·  2905 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I need me a dinosaur flannel.

Post-taste is evidently my taste. Well done!

steve  ·  2900 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Ok...okay....ok....

Color your own [whatever] is HERE!!!!

We can all say we knew you when.

flac  ·  2900 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Ah, i KNEW I should be charging $5.71 for these...

cgod  ·  2904 days ago  ·  link  ·  

These are my favorites of your's so far.

They are both really great.

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user-inactivated  ·  2905 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Ok. In all honesty. Where do you find the time to make such awesome stuff?

flac  ·  2905 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Well, I'm back home without a job, without local friends, and without any real responsibilities, so I certainly have lots of time on my hands. Basically whenever I'm not working on music, I'm working on sewing. Short sleeve shirts are super streamlined for me now that I have the patterns cut and understand what alterations I need to make to them.

I actually don't even use pins on most of it now, which I know is a pretty horrible tendency, but it cuts out some time, and my standards are a lot lower if I'm going to wear it vs. if I am making it for someone else. I actually made both shirts seen in this post on the same day - one from like 10 - 12:30 PM, the other 4 - 6 PM.

Also, the desire to not have to ship my fabric to Portland is currently a nice motivator :p

user-inactivated  ·  2905 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Those are playful. I love the sitting on the first one: it's playful yet highly stylish.