I cant imagine how any newcomer to Hubski would look at this and say "oh boy what an intellectual hotbed!"
This is my second day in a row clicking on global and its the same endless feed of spam. its not even spam
in English anymore.
What do, Hubski?
Yeah. One time I clicked a link on here about road safety and Ireland or something and the article was awful. I thought "Who thought this would be a thing worth sharing on Hubski?" After closing the article, I saw it was from a spam account. So, it does happen.
Hmm, that's an interesting question that I don't really know how to answer. I guess there are other ways, but perhaps I should not have used the word "ethnically" when referring to myself. I'm a Slav by birth, clear and simple. On a related note, I assume that you meant "adoption" as in adoption by foster parents, but, being semi-well-acquainted with a couple of Russian and Ukrainian Orthodox parishes in Canada, I came across a few examples of people trying to adopt not only the religious practices and regulations established by the Church, but also going one step further and trying to completely adopt the language, culture and even the political views that the Church, or at least some of its members, hold. Perhaps it sounds kind of harsh when I put it this way, but the results are usually a little bit comical, with people "going in" for religion (whatever your view on religion is) and instead being led to believe, or allowing themselves to believe, that the goal is to learn a little bit of Russian, talk about nothing but Russian politics (while only holding the views that are, by pure coincidence, of course, the views of the First Channel, Kremlin's mouthpiece), and putting everyone else down for not being "Slav enough". A year or two back one such woman, having heard me read something, decided to passionately criticize the way I pronounced a couple of words. When I asked her to illustrate, she, very proud of herself, read the same passage in a way that can only be described as rape of my native language, then turned back to me and repeated it again, slowly, as if speaking to a being of lower intelligence. I mean it when I say it, it's great when people decide to step outside their own comfort zone, and, instead of forever knowing nothing but what they were brought up with, start learning something about a country halfway across the globe. But don't let them hear you speak your language, and don't let them hear you say anything bad about the place they venerate. You'll be torn to shreds by these people who now consider themselves to be Slavs. So yeah, I guess what I'm trying to say is that it's hard to be part of an ethnic group without being raised in it, but it's easy to delude yourself into believing the very same thing.
I mean it when I say it, it's great when people decide to step outside their own comfort zone, and, instead of forever knowing nothing but what they were brought up with, start learning something about a country halfway across the globe. But don't let them hear you speak your language, and don't let them hear you say anything bad about the place they venerate. You'll be torn to shreds by these people who now consider themselves to be Slavs. It's things like this that make me feel like no matter where someone is in the world, their life is gonna be a little weird.A year or two back one such woman, having heard me read something, decided to passionately criticize the way I pronounced a couple of words. When I asked her to illustrate, she, very proud of herself, read the same passage in a way that can only be described as rape of my native language, then turned back to me and repeated it again, slowly, as if speaking to a being of lower intelligence.
Oh, absolutely, it's in no way restricted to Eastern European culture. In fact, it's a common thing for any culture exotic enough as compared to the one the person in question grew up in. I am just more aware of the problems (if you could even call them that) within this particular community.
If user.postCount < 5 && my.settings(doNotIncludeShitpostsInGlobalFeed) == true {doNotIncludeInTheGlobalFeed.please.thankyouverymuch()} global.settings.defaults(doNotIncludeShitpostsInGlobalFeed)=true; ether.send(mk,"eleventybillion");
I'm guessing that's what this in the settings does. filter users less than 2 days old: Is it on by default?
Since I'm new, I'm not sure how it usually is here. I've seen spam in the global feed since I've been here the last few weeks. It's just a handful. I filtered out the #spam tag and then blocked another half dozen or so, but yes I still see a bunch. I'm hesitant to apply the #spam tag to some of them because I'm too new to know if it might not be a regular member who is just promoting something. Thanks to everyone else who is cleaning up the spam.
There has been a distinct tendency for people to use the spam tab on opinions they disagree with (usually flagrant opinions of the sort that aren't necessarily welcome in a message board oriented around decency -- but the slope is there to slide down). Anyway, #spam != gibberish, just a heads up.
These spam/bit accounts could be mitigated by blocking the ability to post as a new user. It's been discussed in the past, but the only turn-off greater than seeing a ton of spam as a new user is to not even be able to post something good :D
That requires a brigade of spam-filterers to patrol global. Then we've got a "knights of r/new" meme on our hands.
No no, if you filter spam, that doesn't solve anything unless someone goes and tags something as spam. You're asking people to go do the work for you. It also doesn't solve the problem for noobs.
I tag shit as #spam. It's probably 99% of the tagging I do. As a consequence, it's a solution that works for me. I also block spammers. As a consequence, I see spam domains once. I'm not asking anyone to do shit for me - I'm doing it all by myself. Sorta follows, then, that I'm not seeing any problem. But since my method is unpopular, it also follows that nobody knows about it because when in doubt, force a system change to accommodate your needs, right? mk and I have been around and around on this about eighty gajillion times. The fundamental problem is that he doesn't value tags, therefore he sees no solutions in tags or their taxonomy. Thus, the general idea that "spam" has to be dealt with by dealing with the users who promote spam, rather than stuff that is tagged as spam. The problem is that anything other than sharing is seen by the posse as on/off. yes spam, no spam. yes thistag, no thistag. It's the same problem with tags - if it's #writing, it's different from #writebetterdammit and there's no mechanism for showing a subscriber of #writing anything in #writebetterdammit unless she hard follows it. On the other hand, if we had numerical affinity rather than binary, if ten people saw the link and seven people tagged it #spam, anybody filtering #spam with a threshold over three wouldn't see the link. But we don't have that implemented and we probably never will because tags have cooties and are an affront to a thinking person's web or something. So odds are, you whingeing about spam is going to cause mk and forwardslash and rob05c to go through and edit out the spammers (again... for the nth time...) because they want people to be happy, whereas me pointing out that the problem is entirely fucking solved through tagging is going to fall on deaf ears. It just pisses me off. This shit is easy and you don't need to make anybody do anything for you. But top down, nobody wants to talk about it because it violates the sacrosanct pact of the user-follow.
We do have a trigger for users that are filtered by many. It seems reasonable that we can do the same for users that garner a lot of #spam tags. Unfortunately, the bastards often create an account for each spam post. I really don't want to have a probationary period or something like that. A possibility would be an auto #newuser community tag, and that like #spam, logged out users and new users would be filtering it automatically. We could then rely on the community to change the #newuser tag on deserving posts. Until a user had a post that had the tag removed, all their posts would carry the #newuser tag.The fundamental problem is that he doesn't value tags, therefore he sees no solutions in tags or their taxonomy. Thus, the general idea that "spam" has to be dealt with by dealing with the users who promote spam, rather than stuff that is tagged as spam.
So I gotta ask - what did you do to the stuff tagged as spam that's pissing off nowaypablo? 'cuz when I unfilter it and look at it, there's like 20 things from the past 50 days.
I nuked them. With spambots/spamshops, we have the conundrum that even if they are unseen, they are creating invisible posts that must be stored, and must be avoided in searches, etc. It's a pain in the ass. Basically their posts are now invisible and they get a new password. Having our data saved in files rather than a proper database makes the pain of storing spam posts all the more acute. Thankfully rob05c is getting close to a complete migration to a SQL database. I think after we get that done, I am going to make some sort of functionality where they can nuke themselves.
Jesus it's not pissing me off I made the post to acknowledge the experience of a new user on Hubski, not because me or you or another long-time user is unable to handle it :D
Okay so the most proactive thing to do is to obviously tag spam yourself. I also do this, but I still think you're skirting over my point. There's maybe 10 people who do this, and I'm certainly the lesser in frequency or regularity. It still warrants a group of active spam filterers doing the job for everyone, assuming "everyone" filters #spam. And, still, every post we filter is immediately replaced with another at every refresh. So I don't think that solves anything, still especially to a newcomer, but I'm sorry youre bothered by my whining.
I'm not skirting your point, I'm denying its accuracy. "Shares" are crowd-sourced ranking, and that's what makes the site work. crowd-sourced spam filtering is in exactly the same spirit, with exactly the same granularity and control. You're also wrong. As mentioned, I filter spam and block accounts newer than 2 days and I see none of the spam you do. My solution works.
Thanks, you inspired this: :) Also, I better hear some analog synth from you! Also, photos of your gear. I recently bought this:
Nice! the Brute can be a hassle but analog is analog, worth it :) I've got a lot recorded in a few different bands/projects already, I'll sift through 'em and post with some pictures. My synth has a pretty involved feedback/delay system in it but I borrowed an analog delay pedal from my friend and boy is it bitchin'.
I might but someone who stumbles on the 'Ski wont, is what im saying.
I meant that for the admins. I agree with your view on this. When I first stumbled onto hubski I thought it was dead because no new topic were appearing in the main fed for weeks and global was filled with spam. It's only when I realized that you have to follow useers did my feed become manageable. That's really a huge design flaw. Now I just follow all real users as I find them but that's not super convenient either
You could also have a probation period for new users. Say for example no posting new links until some minimal number of 1 point or higher comments (1 is probably enough at current activity levels). Eventually spammers will game this system so then you up the requirements to 1 point from a user w 3 or more points. 2 points from different users. There is obviously a point where it's too invasive so you have to balance it out based on how motivated the spammers are. At the current volume you could probably manually promote threads to the front page. At 5-10x the users that's not viable but that gives you some time to fine tune a better algorithm