I'm sure that most of you have probably seen this, or at least seen it referenced.
I'mma post it anyway, for a few choice sections alone.
Important disclaimer: I'm having a bad mental health day and spent way too much goddamn time thinking about this and related issues instead of other, more important things.
- When I was younger – and I mean from teeanger hood all the way until about three years ago – I was a nice guy. In fact, I’m still a nice guy at heart, I just happen to mysteriously have picked up girlfriends. And I said the same thing as every other nice guy, which is “I am a nice guy, how come girls don’t like me?”
There seems to be some confusion about this, so let me explain what it means, to everyone, for all time.
It does not mean “I am nice in some important cosmic sense, therefore I am entitled to sex with whomever I want.”
It means: “I am a nicer guy than Henry.”
Hooooooo boy. There is no way for anyone - of either gender - to read this, take any of it to heart, and not end up bleaker than when you started. Unless, of course, you can pull back the curtain. 1) If you read XOJane or Jezebel you get what you deserve. These are journals of small-minded snark whose pageviews are generated largely by controversy. None of that controversy will be at the expense of the audience. It will always be at the expense of the other. 2) There exist women who will marry wifebeaters, divorce them, then cheat with them on their new wives after the wifebeater gets out of prison. These women are tragic, these women are unfortunate, these women show poor judgement, and dollars to donuts, neither you, me, or anyone but "Henry" wants to date them. This may not be obvious to someone who doesn't work for a state mental hospital but trust me - back when CorrLinks had an unofficial facebook page, you could see the sort of people who would take to social media to complain about the prison email system. It was not an assemblage you'd wish to add to your dating pool. Simply put: lots of lonely losers are single because they're picky. And that isn't a bad thing. 3) Men objectify women physically. Women objectify men socially, financially, emotionally and physically. I have no doubts that twice as many MIT grad students are virgins as are high school seniors. I also have no doubts that there's a correlation between "have you used a weapon in a fight" and "how often do you get laid." Fuck, marry, kill. How many older women can say things like "I cashed the 40 for a couple 20s?" Yet we joke about it. Can you name anyone besides Madonna who ever took a "trophy husband?" Those MIT grad students will have social status, wealth and security in 10, 15, 20 years that the average high school senior can only dream about. In fact, one might surmise that the dedicated MIT grad student has reasons not to be weighed down by the pursuit of chicks. Sure, we all want tail but a lot of those guys who get a lot aren't really pursuing anything else. They don't have a grad thesis weighing them down. The reality is this: there are people who are attractive in the short term, there are people who are attractive in the long term, and there are people who are not attractive. Do not presume you are the last. You might be the middle. And to someone, you might even be the first. But the primary thing to take to heart is this: Only an idiot lets the generalists of the Internet determine the specifics of their love life. Both sides aren't debating humans, they're striking out impotently at ideas and the cardboard cutouts that present them. The staunchest defenders of both sides are the least happy humans who interact with the opposite sex on the rarest of occasions. Arguing about loneliness on the Internet subjects you to worse than an echo chamber; it traps you in a feedback loop that can only cull you from the gene pool. I mean, really - who THE FUCK is going to give useful, measured discussion to someone who thinks "men's rights activists" have eliminated the ability to gripe about being lonely? Why would you EVER have that discussion on the open, unbounded Internet? How is that line of questioning NOT going to attract the bitterest of haters? I mean, we know the Internet. We've seen it. We've been on it. Ostensibly, it's a network that connects human beings from far-flung corners of the world. So why are we astonished every time something good happens but drearily expectant whenever it reveals the lowest common denominator of human behavior? Honestly? This whole discussion is an argument about which is worse: anthrax or smallpox. THEY'RE BOTH BAD. Clever people avoid both of them. Happiness lies in NOT bathing in weaponized agents, in NOT asking the violent, other-hating masses why you, the other, are violently hated. A group that identifies via exclusion will NEVER provide viable, reasonable, useful discussion about the excluded. You engage them at your peril.
With regard to 1. Is it simply a matter of knowing the author / editor / website / blog creator's bias? I would never imagine nuance coming out of Cosmo, but I also wouldn't imagine hate speech. Also I think recognizing clickbait as clickbait is an integral part of being Internet saavy. But I also think there's a certain amount of 'know thy enemy' required. There are people who share the opinion of those listed sites in positions of authority. Extremists with power of any variety worry me, albeit these less than most. 2. I'm not sure I buy that entirely. The argument is essentially that the MIT students and 'Henry' have 0, or effectively 0 overlap, when it comes to populations of single women, right? If that were completely true there wouldn't be as much heartache among nerds. They wouldn't be exposed in such numbers to close friends telling them about some latest asshole. More than anything I just appreciated reading a defense of guys who were emotional doormats because they thought it was how they are supposed to treat women they were interested in. There's a disturbing trend to label every misled social inept as an Elliot Rogers in the making, and I haven't seen any indication of the slowing down until very recently. And that recent concern is definitely about guns, not why people use them. I mean, when you say it like that the anthrax analogy seems apt, or something. There's some part of me that wants to continue to engage with, for lack of a better phrase, dangerous ideas. Then days like today happen. I appreciate the perspective, and the hand up.Arguing about loneliness on the Internet subjects you to worse than an echo chamber; it traps you in a feedback loop that can only cull you from the gene pool.
1) I've recommended this book before. Simply reading the short little article will show you why. Rhetoric is important because it teaches you that how something is being said is as important as what's being said. Jezebel pretty much writes "guys suck amirite" while SSC pretty much writes "our tortured genius is our lofty cross to bear" and no matter what they have to say, it's always couched in these postures. "Know thy enemy?" Thy "enemy" is telegraphing their fundamental intent with every word. You don't need to hide under a rock, but a nice person who wanted to change your behavior would never link a Jezebel article to convince you to do it. Is SSC far more persuasive? Perhaps that's because it's written to persuade you, as oppose to persuading those who hate you that they're justified in hating you. 2) What's the pursuit? Is the pursuit the type of woman who will value an MIT physics student? Can we recognize that comparing the pursuit of this girl's affections with the pursuit of the affections of Henry's girls is akin to comparing fly fishing with frog gigging? Sure, an aquatic creature is being removed from the water but the similarities end there. "Why can't I catch any fish? That guy's catching lots of fish!" Because you're decked out in Orvis and sitting two miles up a trout stream while "that guy" is chumming for crawdads. Your skills are meaningless for his pursuits and his are meaningless for yours. Why are you comparing your love life to his, rather than your social life? Your intellectual life? The fact that you've never done a stint in prison for beating a woman? Because you're deliberately looking for comparisons where you fall short while ignoring comparisons where you fall long. I didn't read that. I read a long, roundabout essay complaining that you can't even complain about being single anymore without someone painting you as a cad and a villain. Yeah, that. Certainly. When we're down, we want to wallow in it. For some, it helps them process. For others, it petrifies. Look - If you're having a bad day, there's no shortage of wisdom on the internet that will make you feel worse. Seek it out at your peril. Whatever you do, recognize that in the end, it's you CHOOSING your outlook on the matter, nothing more. The only person in the entire conversation is you; every other party is busily engaging shadows. Don't let the bastards drag you down.More than anything I just appreciated reading a defense of guys who were emotional doormats because they thought it was how they are supposed to treat women they were interested in.
There's a disturbing trend to label every misled social inept as an Elliot Rogers in the making, and I haven't seen any indication of the slowing down until very recently.
There's some part of me that wants to continue to engage with, for lack of a better phrase, dangerous ideas.
I wish he'd use that tag. Or hubski had the ability to only filter people on certain tags, like people who like my posts but hate my book prattling could filter rinx+books or something. I love that you guys support a friend but it's unhealthy for me to read this stuff. Last time I tried to filter (just filter) him it muted him instead, and I really don't want to exclude anyone from conversations.
The tag.user system was in place for a while but was cancelled because of lack of interest. You still see it on older posts, but nobody ever really gave a shit about it, and it this got canned in favor of more tagging options. Cases like this would support its reinstatement, but I think that shop has sailed.
What do you mean it was cancelled? Because I use #music.Existentialist so others can filter my poor music taste. It looks like it works.
I don't really mean something similar to that, although it would work. I essentially mean ability to "and" filters. Lets say your vegan and I'm vegetarian. I like your posts normally, but we keep butting heads in #vegetarian because you and I disagree over the ethics of eggs. Right now I would have to filter (b_b) or filter (#vegetarian). Or try to guess which sites you'll post from most and ban them (eggsaremurder.com). These options kinda suck. If I could filter only when both conditions are met (b_b+vegetarian), then I could enjoy conversations with you without us getting into ideological battles. You could post your daiya recipes and I could post mac and cheese recipes without either of us needed to butt heads.
If you've got a user who you always butt heads with over a certain topic, you could try not always rehashing the same topic because by the third or fourth time you should know where it's gonna end. If you keep picking a fight with someone, you might kind of be a douche. Like, let's say you and I disagree about eggs. We hash it out on 3 posts you put up. By the time I see a 4th post about a similar topic from you, I shouldn't need to reiterate everything I've already said or make the same arguments I've always made because we've been through it before. If I do, then I'm more concerned with blanketing you with my pedantic viewpoint than having a discussion. I mean, go ahead, give a post a chance and give posters chances too. But you don't have to click every link in your feed. You don't have to pick a fight every time you see a comment you disagree with. There's a lot to be said for saying, "Nope, not worth it" and moving on. I think there's more value to strengthening your ability to do that, than removing any potential arguments from your view.
Dude, Henry clearly has lots of trouble with women. I am, beneath all the cursing and rage and hate, a nice person. I have actually been gently turned down because, essentially, I was too nice somehow. (This is the guy I had a crush on and made cookies for, if anyone remembers enough about my love life that far back.) But, despite Being Nice, I have never thought being nice was enough of a reason to get a boyfriend, or even a date. In fact, as a neurotic nit-picker, I have always been able to think of lots of reasons why I couldn't get a date. I have then had to calm myself down and remind myself that I am lovable, and I have been loved. At the end of the day, what makes me think that I'll be loved again is the fact that sometime before, someone loved me. If someone could love me once, someone can love me again. Being loved or even liked has so much more to do with the person doing the liking or loving than with you. The problem with people who say "I am nice, why can't I get with a person?" is that not only do they think that if you are nice, you will attract a person, but that they lack the self-reflection (and maybe the insecurity) to look at themselves, perceive how they are flawed, and realize there are probably lots of reasons any given person might not want to date them. Do not assume you are date-able and then ask why no one will date you. If no one will date you, odds are, you are not date-able. When all the evidence disagrees with your hypothesis, you need to ask if your hypothesis is wrong. Not why none of your experiments turned out the way "they were supposed to." Not why some other guy's experiments are yielding the results that you wanted your experiments to yield. In closing, any argument which relies on the idea that "if things were fair, I would have this," is not only idealistic but stupid as well as lazy. Nothing is fair. It is useless to argue that you would have a thing if only you lived in a utopia when you do not live in a utopia and never will. If grass was blue, then I would have blue grass - but seeing as grass is not blue, then I will never have blue grass, no matter how much I would like it. Saying, "I deserve this thing, and because I think I deserve this thing but do not have it, I am going to get very loud and upset about how I don't have it" and then getting very loud and upset is a waste of energy that would be much better spent in attempts to somehow become a person who has the thing that is deserved. But that is scary and that requires work as well as self-reflection. That requires the idea that one is NOT perfect as one is, and one does NOT deserve - well, anything. The real question is, would Barry want a single one of the girls willing to date Henry? And the answer is, if he is in his right mind and as well-adjusted as the article says he is, dear god no. He should reject all of them. They are not stable. They need therapy, and lots of it.
Isn't that part of the problem though? It seems to be a catch-22: you need to have had a serious relationship or two to know that you are loveable, and you need know you're loveable to be in a serious relationship.At the end of the day, what makes me think that I'll be loved again is the fact that sometime before, someone loved me. If someone could love me once, someone can love me again.
If you've never been able to have a serious relationship, you need to go back to step 1: you, and work on that. If you've been in a serious relationship before but aren't, and would like to be, but no one seems to want to date you, you should do the same. Reassuring yourself that you can be loved in the future because at one point in the past you were loved is like saying, "Once upon a time there was a garden of lilies on this hill. Therefore, in the future, there can be a garden of lilies here again." It doesn't mean the garden of lilies will magically spring into being without you doing anything. With that in mind, if you have never been in a serious relationship, the only thing missing is the knowledge that what you want to happen has happened before (isn't impossible). While knowing love isn't impossible is reassuring, it is not going to make you any more currently love-able.
Alright. I'll bite. Why is this a gendered issue? Nice people are single, while horrible people have plenty of relationships. There's many facets to how people of both genders choose partners, "niceness" is just one of them. Is the point that men who whine about being single are attacked while women are allowed to bemoan their status? If that's the point he's making, its mostly because he is saying he "deserves" to be in a better situation then Henry. I rarely see women say they deserve more men then another women. If anything, I see them discuss deserving a good caring partner. See the difference? "Why do other people have what I don't have" comes off very differently then "this is what I want". One is about jealousy, the other is about personal goals. TLDR: Of course he is allowed to whine, but just like most self-pitying diatribes online (male or female) they tend to not be well received. Bonus Note: Also comparing normal dating to abusive partners is beyond ignorant but I don't have time to write a well sourced piece on that right now. Maybe I'll add it later.
The point being made is that he can't even question why he's alone without someone in the comments bringing up whether he "deserves" to be or not. I would observe that he brings up his three examples (the black man struggling to get by, the male feminist, the serial wife-beater) to argue that "deserve" has nothing to do with it, and that the discourse of the internet has devolved to the point where the question can't even be asked without blame and judgement being injected into the discussion.If that's the point he's making, its mostly because he is saying he "deserves" to be in a better situation then Henry.
He's the one saying what he deserves, not someone in the comments. He's attempted to sound even handed by leveling blame at feminists and at MRAs, although the fact that he equates the two is itself inflammatory. Then he repeats classic MRA arguments which have been, at this point, beaten to death, and complains that people might take offense to them. If you want to whine about being single, go ahead. If you want to blame everyone else because you are single, people (men and women) aren't going to respond well. That's not because of feminists or MRA's, it's because your being self-pitying and you are ignoring a very normal response to it. But I did think I deserved to not be doing worse than Henry.
Alright, fair point. He did use "deserve." But he used in the context of: The larger point stands: It's impossible to have this discussion without one or the other side ctrl-f'ing for dog whistle words so that they can dismiss the entire argument out of hand without having to hear it. And the smaller point stands: with the rise of "men's rights" the discussion has become one of "sides" where it becomes necessary to flash the proper feminist credentials in order to (attempt to) inoculate the conversation against dismissal by the "side" you're attempting to communicate with. You see this: Yet you missed this: He argues, in fact, that there are no such things as "classic MRA arguments" because the entire movement is too recent to assign blame to. Which, again, is the main drive of the piece - that it's impossible to have this discussion on the internet without someone, somewhere, looking for a place to assign BLAME. And here we are. This site is more civil than most, and you're arguing that it's "unhealthy for (you) to read this stuff." Why is that? Is that how it should be? How did we come to the place where nobody can talk about "this stuff" without somebody pulling out the rhetorical WMD?And I made the horrible mistake of asking this question out loud, and that was how I learned about social justice.
He's attempted to sound even handed by leveling blame at feminists and at MRAs, although the fact that he equates the two is itself inflammatory.
It would actually be pretty fun to go full internet-archaeologist on the manosphere, but a quick look confirms my impression that, although it is built from older pieces, it’s really quite young. There was a “men’s rights” movement around forever, but its early focus tended to be on divorce cases and fathers’ rights. Heartiste started publishing in 2007. The word “manosphere” was first used in late 2009. Google Trends confirms a lot of this.
I do not think men should be entitled to sex, I do not think women should be “blamed” for men not having sex, I do not think anyone owes sex to anyone else, I do not think women are idiots who don’t know what’s good for them, I do not think anybody has the right to take it into their own hands to “correct” this unsettling trend singlehandedly.
But when you deny everything and abuse anyone who brings it up, you cede this issue to people who sometimes do think all of these things. And then you have no right to be surprised when all the most frequently offered answers are super toxic.
I didn't miss the bit you quoted, it's why I said what I said about him attempting to be even handed. It's typical middle ground fallacy. If MRA debates are new for you fine, but gamergate alone has been around for a year and a half and I've had plenty of time to hear these tired points. They haven't come up with much new in that time. As for the blame point, who am I blaming? I disagree that lonleyness is a gendered problem and I disagree that men more then women aren't allowed to discuss singledom. The only one assigning blame is the author himself, who instead of some introspection assumes his negative feedback must be the fault of a toxic internet. The heart of the article, to me, is not against radicalization, it's perpetuating it. Your last three points seem like they are based on assuming some motive I don't have. It's unhealthy for me to read for personal reasons unrelated to gender debates, and I'm pretty sure you have no idea what I meant by "this stuff". So I can't really answer your questions because they don't really make sense. Did you assume I meant gender rights debates? I have a whole suite of theories on why the internet is recently so radicalized, and none of them have to do with the mistreatment of nice guys or a lack of safe space for them to complain on the internet.
And this is exactly the point: the argument put forth (in a truly oblique and verbose way) is that it is becoming harder to discuss loneliness without being antagonized. Personally, I don't believe this argument is worth a preamble, 7 parts and 7,400 words. I also don't think there's much merit in quoting a blog that makes this point so that you can blow 7400 words agreeing with - but not really agreeing with - the argument. BUT That's not the argument you're having. First you argue that any attempts to be even-handed make the arguments invalid. Then you whip out a dog whistle word. Then you argue that 7400 words of navel-staring isn't introspective enough, then you attack me for bringing your personal reasons into the discussion when you're the one that brought them up. Meanwhile, our debate about the subject started when you dismissed any comparative arguments as invalid and, by the way, have a few times put forth the notion that since "they" (who's "they?") haven't made any new arguments in a year and a half, there's no point in having the discussion at all. Is "they" "men's rights activists?" Because I'm not one. I don't think anybody here is. Again, I find the tired whingeing of the dateless to be pointless, boring and not useful to their love lives. But I also think that finding an excuse to fling gamergate at anyone with a Y chromosome is unhelpful to the discussion. Which is, again, the broader point: "this discussion must be held in exactly this way or you are worthy of disparagement and personal attack." I think that's true for far too much on the Internet but in this particular instance, I can actively disagree with the statements and still end up getting tarred with the MRA brush. So what logical fallacies am I employing? How am I perpetuating radicalization? Because honestly? I'm trying to say "let's talk about this" and the response you're giving is "only those who hate women would dare to talk about this." I don't think loneliness is a "gendered problem" either. However, I think it's fair to point out that the label "MRA" falls somewhere between "furry" and "pedophile" on the insult severity scale while "radical feminist" is something many people aspire to be. And if those are the two "sides" to the argument, it's hard to argue that they are being made from equivalent ethical standing.
You seem to be agreeing with all my original points in a very angry tone. So this had probably gone wrong at some point. At the risk of continuing the mess I have a few things I'd like to respond to - I'm not going to do the line by line quotey thing because I think taking peoples comments line by line tends to ruin context and prevent real discussion. I will say I disagree with your interpretation and comments on my intentions pretty on pretty much all points. I'm not dog whistling, wishing the article was longer, or ever, at any point, attacking you for disagreeing with me. The only time I mention you is to ask you to not bring up irrelevant things I mentioned in another thread. That wasn't an attack on you, I just don't think it helps the conversation for you to make assumptions based off a point about me personally that you don't understand. I never said you were employing a logical fallacy - I said the author's points were a pretty typical golden mean fallacy "They" is gamergaters, sad puppies, and authors who use abused women as a benchmark for their sex life. I never implied it was anyone on this site, although hubski definitely has a few. Maybe you have them filtered, or maybe you've just had a much longer timeline for this stuff so we've had a different experience here. Feminism is the only tag I've seen trolled to death, and the comments on my hugo awards post were far from a more thoughtful web. It's incredibly unfair you assume that because I disagree with you I'm labeling you as sexist. Or really labeling you as anything. None of this, until this post, has been about you in the slightest. I disagreed with an article and said why. I never had any intention of painting you or anyone else on this site into a corner with a pejorative label. "MRA" "Feminist" "Racist" "Sexist". I came here to escape that bullshit. Sure I'm a feminist. I'm a lot of other things too, and I prefer following people instead of interests because you get the full range of what they have to offer. I have no intention of turning boyyski into another cesspool. I love the idea of more men focused discussions and I'd hate to be a detractor from that. I'll switch to lurking here, end to the heated conversations.fling gamergate at anyone with a Y chromosome is unhelpful to the discussion.
I can actively disagree with the statements and still end up getting tarred with the MRA brush.
only those who hate women would dare to talk about this.
Thus lies the discourse, bleeding out onto the sand. I'm going to hypothesize that you may not understand the empathy posts like this engender in the majority of men on the Internet. Because heterosexual courtship the world over follows a pattern of men pursuing women, and because men the world over are chided for not pursuing aggressively enough but castigated for pursuing too aggressively, there are few men who have not, at some point, wondered why "the asshole" gets the girl while the "nice guy" does not. At some level, at some point in the past, present or future, every man will relate in some way to arguments such as this. There will be empathy with the position that nice guys finish last. There will be affinity with the calm, erudite person who nonetheless is luckless in the romance department. Thus, there's no way to completely avoid tarring every male in the conversation with the brush. IF you're calling the author a sexist AND I sympathize in some way with the author THEN in some way, you're calling me a sexist. And maybe I am. Probably I am. Probably we all are at some point on some level. That's our humanity, warts and all, working towards betterment of ourselves. And here we are, generally agreeing about lots of stuff, overwrought to the point of capitulation because, as observed by the author, this has become a radicalizing conversation to have on the Internet. Back in the bad old days, a girl with a "great personality" was known to be fat or ugly. These days anyone making that connection is rightfully called a sexist and an asshole BUT the statement tacitly suggests that it takes more than a "great personality" to be attractive to the opposite sex. It would make sense, then, that the question "I have a great personality, why will no one date me?" be answered with "It takes more than a great personality to be attractive" and that would be the end of it. But that's not the way the discussion goes. "I'm a nice guy, why won't anybody date me?" "The fact that you're asking proves you're not a nice guy." And just like that, the loveless, luckless laggard isn't just alone, he's alone and under attack. And unfortunately, so is anyone who has ever related to him. THAT is why it's a gendered issue. THAT is why comparing what men want to what women want and what men do and what women do doesn't help. Damn right - self-pitying diatribes are poorly received the world over. The point, however, is that while sad sacks used to be allowed to be sad sacks, the trend in discussion has sad sacks being pilloried as assholes for the act of asking why they're sad sacks. I don't think it's helpful, and I don't think anyone benefits when the default answer given to the sad sack is a knee-jerk response berating them for their entitlement.
There is no transitive property of sexism. If you made that up then got mad at me for not understanding it, that's on you. If by disagreeing with the author I've tarred all men and killed discourse itself I think the issue is with your sense of proportion, not me.
But really, what kind of person can't think of a single reason why maybe they're alone? I could come up with a dozen if I thought for ten minutes. If you genuinely think there is no reason why you are single, you lack the ability (or desire) to see any flaws in yourself. I am not single, but I can still think of lots of reasons why I might/should/could be/was.
That's not the why of it, though. Anybody can think of reasons why they're single. When this discussion comes up, it's always a comparison between the overwhelming chivalry, charm, soul, generosity or other non-romantic aspect of the protagonist and the dastardly, callow, chauvinist and offensive aspects of the antagonist. This comparison is seen as drowning out any other possible discussion - "well yes, I have a weak chin and an inability to hold a job, but he's such an asshole it shouldn't matter that he's a triathlete trial lawyer!"
I see two key problems with this... treatise? Missive? Manifesto? First, he is lonely. But believes the sole answer to loneliness exists in women. That men do not play a role in alleviating loneliness, etc, for other men. He further reinforces this myopia through his google searches for terms. I know of a wide variety of men's groups, clubs, hangouts that have been happening since the mid-1970's (aka: BG, or Before Google), and still thrive to this day. Loneliness is a stink like piss. It makes you an energy suck, rather than an energy source. So people who exude this lonely vibe get shut out... thereby becoming lonelier. I guarantee you that Henry has guy friends that he goes out with on a regular basis. Second problem, women are a two-dimensional construct to him. They have no agency, will, desires, needs... they are just wireframe models. What is he offering to them? Why should they spend time with him? What value does he bring to their life? Maybe when he gets a deeper appreciation for women as whole beings he might be able to find one interested in what he offers.
So what you're saying is that it's about ethics in feminist journalism?
1. Many like "Dan" feel that they are entitled to earn the same amount as that of their bosses. I can relate to the hard-worker character but it is true what the doctor said, he thinks these titles were given on a silver platter but he never (not once) had the urge to ask whether they struggled through school. Bosses are there because they also had to go through what he's going through. I don't deny that there are kids that do get everything from mommy and daddy. There are many that have never felt the hard-work kind of style. 2. This wife-beater has an inane way of coming off. He has no remorse for his title and the women he's married are sadist. They leave him (and kudos!) but they come back, why? For the pleasure of the bad boy persona? As the doctor states that he's a nice guy and why was it unfair. Many women go for the bad boy because it brings excitement and they thing of spontaneity. Many women don't see that the nice guy has those attributes due to the fact that most "nice guys" don't really show an extroverted side. 3. Again with the "nice guy" tactic. These nice men do have a lack in their step. They expect sex as an exchange for a kind demeanor. Genuinely nice people don't expect anything back and that's a big difference. Yes, many women pass the nice guy, but it's because he shows a lack of pep to his step. Women like to be cooed and to be shown different perspectives, not to see her own perspective being repeated out of someone else's mouth. These nice men just sit and watch rather than to take the bull by its horn ( I am using many analogies...). All in all, things don't seem fair if you don't step outside the box. Those that go through a whole routine of what's supposed to happen tend not to get what they want. Attaining what you want comes with excess effort. Things may be handed to you on a silver platter but what fun it that?
For my own amusement, and because it's what we're doing in Philosophy class right now, I'm going to analyze the issue using Kantian ethics. 1. The assumption that being nice should lead to sex or relationships goes against the categorical imperative: humans are an ends, not a means, and their dignity as such should be respected. When saying being nice should lead to rewards, one disrespects oneself by seeing personality as a means to an end. One also disrespects others by ignoring their human dignity and seeing their existence as a mean to an ends (in this case, sexual gratification). 1.1 Another wording of the categorical imperative is that our maxims should only be those maxims which work perfectly well if they were the categorical imperative (i.e. universal). On the face, this may look like the Golden Rule, but the Golden Rule is consequence based. Saying that the assumption is wrong because then almost everyone would thindk they deserve sex (most people seem to think they are nice), which would lead to the exact same issue as currently (i.e. people who should not be in relationships, like Henry, are, but now it's even morally right) takes the same consequence-based approach. Kant might say it is wrong because applying that maxim across the board would not be rationally motivated but motivated by desire only, and therefore corrupts the rational categorical imperative. (Note: Kant thought the two wordings of the categorical imperative were equivalent. No one else can really figure out why. Maybe one of you can. I've got sown ideas, but they're just barely budding.) 2. However, that doesn't necessarily make the assumption, or actions based on the assumption immoral. When we are acting on goals and desires, we are acting solely as animals, not rational beings. As we cannot choose our goals, we cannot truly be held responsible for actions towards them. It is generally agreed now that sexual preference is not a chosen trait, and so having the goal of sex is not a choice. Just like cheetahs cannot be blamed for eating the gazelle or a ball can be blamed for falling, humans cannot be blamed for trying. 3. At the same time, looking closer at the issue suggests maybe it isn't all about desires. While humans cannot be held morally at fault for simply pursuing goals, means and motive matter for Kant. A person has an obligation to use their rationality to approach their actions. Also, as rational beings, we have a duty to follow the categorical imperative, only for the sake of that duty, i.e. doing right. And rather than just pursuing sex through being nice, the assumption of getting sex from being nice shows an attempt at rationality. In effect, it is a strange and incorrect attempt to usurp the true categorical imperative arrived at by Kant. And rational choices are morally judgeable. So, Kantian ethics would (likely) say the assumption and any actions resulting from the assumption are wrong. Of course, Kant said all sex outside of marriage was wrong, so the issue has a simpler answer. But Kant isn't modern, and almost certainly never thought about nice people thinking being nice was enough to be in a relationship.