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thenewgreen  ·  3693 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Grubski Challenge #2: The New Green

I'm pretty sure I ate the one on the right, but I cannot be certain. I did pay a lot of money for "free range grass fed."





organicAnt  ·  3693 days ago  ·  link  ·  

What are the chances that in the end, "the free range grass fed" animal would have preferred to still be free range and feeding on grass? : )

Animal welfare and an animal's right to life are distinct ethical positions. Although the caring treatment of an animal while alive is obviously a step in the right direction, being slaughtered after an ideal life (or in the case of lamb/veal, before having a chance of having a life at all) is still a violation of that animal's right to life. This is specially true in a day an age when we know that we can live healthily without animal products.

I don't mean to spoil your recipe exchange, I think it's a great thing to do to encourage healthier eating. I just couldn't help myself on the animal rights issue. If I don't speak for the speechless who will? I'll go eat some tofu now : )

humanodon  ·  3693 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Heavy handed and passive aggressive. I expect better than emotional appeals from you.

b_b  ·  3693 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I didn't find that passive. It seems like oA just laid their position on the table. Sure the appeal is emotional, but that's fair, no? Emotions are an equal part of our experience as logic, perhaps moreso.

Edit: Oh, wait, I only read the above reply. Didn't see the videos elsewhere on the thread. I retract, and stand corrected.

organicAnt  ·  3693 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I wanted to put my point across without taking over the thread. Ethics are very often based on emotion, which is the basis for developing empathy. That's one of the reasons why we (arguably) overcame slavery. I'm open for a logical debate if you wish though. You can go first.

thenewgreen  ·  3693 days ago  ·  link  ·  

So, are we to expect that you'll be making such comments/appeals in all of the #grubski challenges? If so, you can expect my ingredients to get steadily cuter.

organicAnt  ·  3693 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It's ok, when lacking arguments, facetiousness is a popular method to avoid serious issues. I could easily meet the "steadily cuter ingredients" will steadily gruesomer replies. I wonder how long it'd take to get permanently banned from Hubski. Anyway, I don't mean to rain in your parade : ) I made my point, I'm done here.

thenewgreen  ·  3693 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I guess my point would be that there are places to have this conversation -which I'm glad to have. I'm married to a vegetarian that refuses to eat meat for many if the reasons is wager that you do, but this thread wasn't the place for it IMO.

I don't think Hubski would ever permanently ban someone for being a vegetarian. However, if you're trolling the #grubski posts with pictures of baby cows, you are likely to get called out for it.

organicAnt  ·  3693 days ago  ·  link  ·  

There's never a good time to bring it up. I have posted videos on the subject before but no-one engages. It's like the elephant in the room and every time I point at it I get told to sit down and shut up. That's the kind of response I expected to an inconvenient truth.

By the way, I'm not racist, one of my friends is black ; )

thenewgreen  ·  3693 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Your wonky smiley faces just make your patronizing that much more...well, patronizing.

You ever been married? It's a bit more than a tangential relationship.

organicAnt  ·  3693 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I didn't mean to sound patronizing at all. It was my silly way of saying that loving a vegetarian should have no reflection on your ethical and animal rights views. They have their diet you have yours. And to associate yourself with your vegetarian partner to make yourself look better in this discussion, well, it comes across as an actof desperation when lacking valid arguments. Smiley face : )

thenewgreen  ·  3693 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You have said, "I made my point" and now accuse me of desperation for lack of a valid argument. You've made no points. You've posted images of cute animals. How is this a discussion? Ask me a question, make a point and I'll reply with a thoughtful answer. Post pictures of cute animals and you'll get the like. I'm not trying to "make myself look better" -I am that I am. I eat meat, unapologetically. I wrote:

    I'm married to a vegetarian that refuses to eat meat for many if the reasons is wager that you do
not to "make myself look better" but to indicate that I'm very familiar with vegetarianism. I'd go a step further and say that I'm very familiar with responsible vegetarianism.

If you'd like to discuss this further in this post, then lets. But leave comments like this:

    And to associate yourself with your vegetarian partner to make yourself look better in this discussion, well, it comes across as an actof desperation when lacking valid arguments. Smiley face
out of it or I'll not participate. Also, your cute pics make what I know is a serious topic for you, seem trite and silly. You want a discussion? Then start one.