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bioemerl  ·  3814 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: The Gender Syndrome

"Men must come to fully understand and accept that they don't own women or deserve women and begin to look at women on equal ground. "

I honestly couldn't tell you how many people I know, who are men, that think they deserve or own women. That whole trope is incredibly mis-identified and incredibly false.

There may be some men out there who think they own women. However, there are some men out there, probably even more, that think they deserve to be treated as kings for doing nothing, or think they deserve to steal that guy's car or cut in the lunch line because their time is just way too valuable.

The issue here is not men being told that they deserve or own women. The issue is that men are told that the metric and way that they should measure their popularity/success (at least one of the ways) is by being "man enough" to get women to love them.

It's not about ownership, it's about desire to that ideal of being successful. Obviously, when someone goes and bases their existence on that, it leads to the side effects that people are, and should be concerned with, the ideal of entitlement. It's combining the "feel good" mindset with the "successful popular jocks driving in a sports car with a bunch of hot girls in the car" that is the real issue.

This is why I have had a huge issue with this yesallwomen and similar crap. They aren't actually looking at what I see is the actual issue, and making it seem like most men out there think they are entitled to women. In my experience, they aren't at all. It's desperation to be cool/popular/successful, not entitlement to other human beings, that causes the issues.





mknod  ·  3787 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    I honestly couldn't tell you how many people I know, who are men, that think they deserve or own women. That whole trope is incredibly mis-identified and incredibly false.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OverprotectiveDad this trope you mean?

Nobody really acts like that

bioemerl  ·  3785 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Overprotective dad has nothing to do with ownership. Secondly, it's a trope in the media, it doesn't exactly reflect reality (even if it does happen)

And you really want to say that parents being overprotective is an example of men thinking they own women?

Nah, has nothing to do with parents being protective in general of their kids getting into bad situations. Which is worse, a daughter getting pregnant, or a son getting someone else pregnant? It's shitty, but in reality, the teenage son will just walk away in many cases.

Nah, has nothing to do with the view that daughters need defended

Nah, has nothing to do with men being more protective of family.

Yep, it is just an example of men thinking they own women. Women are property of men therefore men try to protect them. That must be it!