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comment by rezzeJ
rezzeJ  ·  4026 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Who are you, Hubski?

Interesting that one of the most comment heavy posts for a while is one where you talk about yourself.





nowaypablo  ·  4026 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I dont see anything wrong with it. Everybody loves talking about themselves ;)

user-inactivated  ·  4026 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Narcissism is at the core of each person's actions.

nowaypablo  ·  4026 days ago  ·  link  ·  

There's always someone who tries to insist that selflessness is just natural for some people. bullshit. It might not be for profit or attention, but nobody sacrifices if they don't gain, even if its just pleasure. Gandhi loved his job.

user-inactivated  ·  4026 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I challenge anyone reading this to come up with a real life instance of a person acting out of selflessness. I would like to discuss.

nowaypablo  ·  4026 days ago  ·  link  ·  

We could move this to its own post, but what about giving your life? Does that benefit you?

user-inactivated  ·  4026 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It ultimately is something that you decide for yourself. If you die after deciding to give your life, you are fulfilling your own wishes and motivations because you have decided that it's the right thing that reflects your morals. Fulfilling your own wishes is a form of narcissism.

See primary narcissism.

elizabeth  ·  4026 days ago  ·  link  ·  

What if you acting on impulse, without "thinking" or "deciding"? But whether that's even possible is a whole other debate.

user-inactivated  ·  4025 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I stand by the view that nothing is truly random. Even computers have algorithms for being "random," and it still isn't truly random.

elizabeth  ·  4025 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It may be not random, but not random does not mean "thought out" or "pre-meditated". If you act by reflex or impulse, of course there are factors that influenced your reaction, but that does not mean you even agree with your reaction. If we take the fight or flight response for example, I might think I would rather fight and if given the time to decide, that's what I would do. But on impulse, I run away even if I didn't really want to do it. But well that's all speculation, I don't know much about philosophy/ psychology.

rezzeJ  ·  4026 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I didn't mean to imply there was anything wrong with it, I didn't mean to imply anything at all. It was simply an observation.

lil  ·  4026 days ago  ·  link  ·  

nowaypablo, delta -- rezzeJ - I posted a question like that 10 days ago and also had a huge response. I agree that rezzeJ was just commenting and perhaps also observing and wondering.

I have to add that comments like

    Everybody loves talking about themselves.
and
    Narcissism is at the core of each person's actions.
-- while those statements may or may not be true, I think they diminish what is at the core of this post and mine from 10 days ago.

Also, note: only 20 of the 111 posts so far are self-introductions.

I may be wrong, but I'd venture to say that we love reading ABOUT one another, even more than we like talking about ourselves. I bet, also, that many many more of us prefer to read about one another than talk about ourselves... so that while this post may have 100+ comments, I bet there are 500+ people who are reading and not commenting. The last "who are you" post What's up Hubski even got a few lurkers out into the open for the first time.

We are curious about one another. I think we very much want to know who is on the hubski voyage with us. Who can we trust? Who will back us up? Where are we located on the planet? -- because it's a feakin' miracle that we have met one another and are talking as intimately as we do. This is a phenomenon of now.

Posts like this one are popular because we are wondering as we learn more about one another, can we collaborate? Hubski collaborations are springing up all over the place: music, tincan, stories. We participate in the collaborations because 1) it's fun!!! and 2) we learn skills and go beyond our safety zones. We risk revealing ourselves on line, discover it's mostly safe, and inch a little towards revealing ourselves in real life.

I'm not going to do a big shout-out to all who contributed here, but I'm curious if their contributions are for the reasons I say -- not because they like talking about themselves or because of a core narcissism. I'd like you two (noway and delta) to be willing to see more complexity in these types of post which personally I LOVE!! (so thanks noway).

One more reason why people respond when requested for a little bio: "Introduce yourself" is a warm invitation. I am guessing that people participated to encourage others to participate, to be team players.

So noway and delta - comments?

user-inactivated  ·  4026 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I'd like to add that I hate talking about myself (at least in text) and have never understood the idea that most people like to. I suspect I'm not nearly as alone in that as some would think.

nowaypablo  ·  4026 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    We are curious about one another. I think we very much want to know who is on the hubski voyage with us. Who can we trust? Who will back us up? Where are we located on the planet? -- because it's a feakin' miracle that we have met one another and are talking as intimately as we do. This is a phenomenon of now.

I agree 100%, very well said.

    I'm not going to do a big shout-out to all who contributed here, but I'm curious if their contributions are for the reasons I say -- not because they like talking about themselves or because of a core narcissism. I'd like you two (noway and delta) to be willing to see more complexity in these types of post which personally I LOVE!! (so thanks noway).

Just to be clear, I didn't mean to say that these kinds of posts are popular because everyone is selfish. In my short discussion with delta we seemed to be on the same page about the more philosophical concept that nobody sacrifices or gives something to someone without fulfilling or gaining something in return. Curiosity isn't, at least to me, a matter of narcissism, it's simply human nature with the simple profit of knowledge and comfort. After all, it's led us to know everything we know now, about quite literally everything.

lil  ·  4026 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Thanks for answering. I see you got the quote feature working!