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thenewgreen  ·  4726 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Christopher Hitchens dead at 62
No! I am a fan. Never thought of him an asshole but rather as someone that wouldn't pull a punch to spare an idiots feelings. This is a big loss IMO. He was an extremely prolific and lucid writer.




kleinbl00  ·  4726 days ago  ·  link  ·  
He was a bloviating gasbag.

I may not know a lot of things, but one thing I know is bombast. I've used it to great effect many times. Bombast isn't truth, and it isn't insight.

Christopher Hitchens was bombastic. Prolific? Sure, but so's Piers Anthony. Doesn't mean any of it is any good.

Hitchens lost me seven years ago.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_wor...

blimpy  ·  4726 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Lost me when he supported the war in Iraq.
b_b  ·  4726 days ago  ·  link  ·  
I would modify your statement to say "Bombast isn't necessarily truth." I think one can be loud and loquacious, or even down right irritating, but still sometimes be correct. I found this with Hitchens form time to time. I think that he had a bombastic style, but at he same time he sometimes made some interesting points.

And, to the above article, Michael Moore is a propagandist. (And I say this with a heavy heart because I loathe to hate on a Spartan, but its the truth.)

kleinbl00  ·  4726 days ago  ·  link  ·  
"Christopher Hitchens - sometimes correct."

See, I'll go with that. Hell, George Will is sometimes correct. Nobody is busy flagellating themselves over someone who is "sometimes correct" however. They're all up on the wailing wall for Christopher Hitchens, Literary Lion.

Bombast isn't necessarily falsehood, either. It's just the art of writing loudly. Hitchens was a one-trick pony who was so good at that one trick that people forgive the substantial trespasses he made against journalism and literature.

Is Michael Moore a propagandist? I doubt even Michael Moore would contest that. Thing is, though, Hitchens called him a liar over and over and over again. As if the facts in FAHRENHEIT 911 hadn't been substantiated again and again and again. Hitchens wasn't the slightest bit interested in the truth, he was wholly given over to making you pissed off at the same things that pissed him off. And as a capricious and focus-poor gasbag, "things that pissed him off" changed on a daily basis with no attempt to reconcile his prior vitriol.

History will forget Christopher Hitchens for the exact reasons it remembers William F. Buckley. And I think it's important to point out that my politics are much more closely aligned with Hitchens... but my respect is wholly with Buckley.

A decent columnist doesn't need to lie to prove a point.

thenewgreen  ·  4726 days ago  ·  link  ·  
We shall see about the "remembrance". If secularism takes hold in the US he may be considered a sort of trail blazer. He has certainly dedicated a lot of time and effort in exposing religion as a force of evil in the world.

Aside: I've always enjoyed this Buckley/Hitchens conversation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0LR2mxqMNM

b_b  ·  4726 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Point taken.

And "Hell, George Will is sometimes correct." made me laugh out loud at my desk, for the record.

thenewgreen  ·  4726 days ago  ·  link  ·  
He never argued that he was anything less than "bombastic". You can't call mother theresa a lying, thieving, dictator and not say there's some bombast there. He was pretty up front about that. I didn't always agree with his work but I always enjoyed reading it. That imo is the mark of a good writer. Was a contrarian? Sure. But we need contrarians and it's always nice when the devils advocate can write well. I'd say the same of your writing KB, I don't always agree with it but I almost always enjoy reading it. I'll miss the bloviating gasbag
kleinbl00  ·  4726 days ago  ·  link  ·  
No, but he postured himself as if he were so much more.

Plenty of people are bombastic. PJ O'Rourke is bombastic. Andy Rooney was bombastic. Neither of them said "My way is 100% correct, unassailable truth and all other ideas and opinions are purest excrement."

Christopher Hitchens argued from a position of such pure, unexamined certainty that he was able to pass off colon-extracted hyperbole as if it were holy writ. This is a man who was consistently and unexaminedly wrong about much of the world yet never re-examined or restated anything on the numerous subjects where his bloviating certainty turned out to be wholly and completely mistaken.

I've been wrong before. I'll be wrong again. Even Greenspan has admitted he fucked up the economy. It takes a big man to do that.

Christopher Hitchens was not a big man.

thenewgreen  ·  4726 days ago  ·  link  ·  
I guess when everyone keeps telling you that you are the premiere intellectual in the world, you may actually start to believe it. I never got that vibe from his writing though, nor have I gotten this feeling from his contemporaries account of him.

I have no idea though. What I do know is that if he was a one trick pony I sure wish more writers would learn this trick. His writing got me to challenge assumptions, made me laugh aloud and definitely had me looking up world history events to put some reference in context. I enjoyed that about his writing. He toggled the point of rococo while remaining relevant and humorous. He had a style. I liked it. I wish he didn't croak.

I'll never forget him calling out the disgraceful, opportunistic, scum of the earth jackass that is Ralph Reed on Hannity when Jerry Falwell died. -There was no bombast in that last sentence btw, it's fact.

kleinbl00  ·  4726 days ago  ·  link  ·  
>I guess when everyone keeps telling you that you are the premiere intellectual in the world, you may actually start to believe it.

Only the failures.

You wanna see what believing your own hype looks like? Check out Kevin Smith or M Night Shamalyan. Hitchens had the requisite amount of anger right about the time the atheists were getting brave. You'll notice they quote Sam Harris a lot less - he's less "quippy" and he's a lot less pissed off. He's a better writer, though, and he's more truthful.

thenewgreen  ·  4726 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Good call on Kevin Smith and MNS. God, Kevin Smith really went downhill fast.

Big left turn, aside: My moms in town and thus, I have a couple evenings free and want to go see a movie. Only have pretty mainstream movie theaters. suggestions?

kleinbl00  ·  4726 days ago  ·  link  ·  
MI4. It's outstanding for what it is - a big, unabashed love letter to corny 60s action-adventure from the guy who wrote THE INCREDIBLES and IRON GIANT. It is as absolutely pitch-perfect a movie as I think you could ask for.
thenewgreen  ·  4726 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Yeah, that's what I'm lobbying for. She wants to see Moneyball, which we've heard good things about too. Have you seen?
kleinbl00  ·  4726 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Haven't. Been meaning to. If she wants to see Moneyball, go see Moneyball. It's supposed to be a spectacular film, and the book it's based on is by Michael Lewis, of whom I'm a fan.
thenewgreen  ·  4722 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Saw MI4 imax. Great action movie. It was worth the price of admission to see Lea Seydoux on screen. H-O-T.

A while back I remember you writing that your friend had some kick ass photos of Dubai. I'm guessing it's the same friend? The scenes there were pretty kick ass. Chase scene in a sand storm, the kind of thing you could only get away with in a movie called "Mission Impossible".

Verdict, it was a good action film. I'd recommend it to people that like action films that are incredibly straight forward and with little to no subtext.

Thanks again for the recommendation.

kleinbl00  ·  4722 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Different friend.

Guy who I saw it with was one of four storyboard artists. Works with JJ Abrams often enough to call him "JJ."

Guy who took photos of Dubai worked for this company: http://www.wetdesign.com/

They did the fountain at the Birj, same as they did the fountain at the Bellagio.

thenewgreen  ·  4722 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Thats right, I forgot you had mentioned that before. I was just at the Cosmo in vegas not too long ago. We had a great view of the Bellagio fountain from our terrace. It's amazing how transfixed a group of people are by some water, lights and music.

Cosmo is an amazing hotel btw.

Hope your projects are going well.

kleinbl00  ·  4722 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Found a $5 bill on a piece of property I desperately want to buy but can't possibly afford at the moment.

Trying to decide whether I should buy lottery tickets with it.

thenewgreen  ·  4722 days ago  ·  link  ·  
kleinbl00  ·  4722 days ago  ·  link  ·  
thenewgreen  ·  4722 days ago  ·  link  ·  
btw, assuming Bellingham is a desirable place. 349k doesn't seem unreasonable.
kleinbl00  ·  4722 days ago  ·  link  ·  
I live in an 1100sqft condo in LA. It has $600/mo HOA fees that I don't have to pay.

My landlord bought it for $390k in 2007. It's currently worth about $350k.

thenewgreen  ·  4722 days ago  ·  link  ·  
This is where I Hubski:

http://i.imgur.com/JTIpK.jpg

http://imgur.com/rUoti

I bought it a little over 6 months ago between Chapel Hill and Durham, NC. I think I'll be lucky if I break even on it when I sell 3 years from now, but my wife loves it, I love it. It's not an "investment", it's where I live.

I'd much rather live beside a "waterfall" in WA but till then, this will do.

kleinbl00  ·  4722 days ago  ·  link  ·  
I am instantly jealous of your kitchen.
thenewgreen  ·  4722 days ago  ·  link  ·  
I thought you might be :)

Definitely the selling point of the home. I love, love, love that stove. It makes cooking even more enjoyable when you have good equipment. Now there's no one but me to blame if a dish sucks.

thenewgreen  ·  4722 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Who wouldn't want to own a waterfall? Very cool. It's beautiful. 41 acres, that's a real amount of land there. Would you purchase it with the intent to one day build or just to have as an investment property or as your own preserve? Either way, from the description it sounds fantastic. Not sure what Bellingham is like but WA is pretty high on the list of states we'd like to live in. Buy it, hold on to it and who knows maybe one day I'll take it off your hands. As for the $5, why not get a lotto ticket? I've only done so a handful of times but it's always fun.
kleinbl00  ·  4722 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Sister's an architect. The waterfall is on top of a 200' vertical drop, like Niagara. Gonna build me a fallingwater up there, and then plant the whole thing all permaculture full of raspberries, blueberries, hazelnuts and shit.

We already make booze, and we do a damn fine job. This, however, changed everything:

http://www.burningstill.com/?q=node/47

thenewgreen  ·  4722 days ago  ·  link  ·  
exciting. Is this the idea, move to WA and distill your own spirits for distribution/retail purposes? What are the spirits?
kleinbl00  ·  4722 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Brandy, port, liquers.
thenewgreen  ·  4722 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Let me know if/when you have a product to support and I will. I know a ton of restauranteurs in the midwest that would love to support small batch producers.
thenewgreen  ·  4726 days ago  ·  link  ·  
We just have to have two movie nights in a row. Thanks.
blimpy  ·  4726 days ago  ·  link  ·  
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thenewgreen  ·  4726 days ago  ·  link  ·  
To put some context in the above comment. The "No!" is not there because I was so adamantly opposed to you calling him an "asshole" but because this was the first I had heard of his death. I was just bummed.

Re-read it and didn't think it came across that way.

b_b  ·  4726 days ago  ·  link  ·  
I agree wholeheartedly; asshole is just a convenient moniker, because of his forceful personality. I believe the majority of the time he was well reasoned, and he just didn't have a lot of tolerance for people who weren't.