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user-inactivated  ·  4052 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Koch brothers’ shutdown just failed hard, and they are pissed | Death and Taxes

I've been honestly thinking of working for Koch because they pay really well, but...





cgod  ·  4052 days ago  ·  link  ·  

My uncle works at a Koch firm. He is very careful about signing petitions or engaging in any type of political speech. He has been a project manager for decades and thinks that they are vengeful and dangerous.

humanodon  ·  4052 days ago  ·  link  ·  

High salaries have high costs. Taking a good paying job knowing that your employers you think are wrong doesn't necessarily make you a bad person, just a selfish one. Y'know, like almost everyone.

I suggest you do some informational interviewing while you're still in school, so that you can network and also refine your vision of what you want your first job out of college to be like. Talking to people on the inside of what you think you might like to do is a great way to start forming opinions on how you might choose to live.

Of course, this is not at all what I did. It's what I'm doing now. I did a professional development workshop last year when I was still thinking of going to law school and I got to know some pretty awesome people. One of them was a big finance guy from Mt. Sinai. Anyway, through the work we were doing, he took a liking to me and said "don't become a lawyer. It will crush your soul. I think you'd be way happier doing something else."

Now, that might sound like unsolicited old-guy advice, but this is a guy that worked with lawyers day in and day out and the kind of work we were doing was pretty intense stuff, so we were able to pretty accurately size each other up. It wasn't exactly a traditional informational interview situation, but man, when someone with experience, who works with people to solve real world problems offers up their view on a situation like employment? It's at least worth a listen. Don't get me wrong though, I am most certainly the kind of person who will take a good paying job that does things I disagree with. The funny thing about money, is that is has a way of getting spent (since that's what it's for).

I'm not saying you shouldn't work for them; we've had some good interactions for sure, but to you I'm still some dude on the internet. Informational interviews though, cost you nothing but a little bit of time. Worth doing, for sure.

user-inactivated  ·  4052 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It's all true.

My worry about Koch is how their idiotic attitudes trickle down into their corporate atmosphere. I've known some people who spent time there, and I do have access to information like you pointed out. I don't have to go in blind. I also really, really doubt that my first job out of college will a) last more than three years, or b) be interesting. I'm fine with that. It's the where and how much that matters to me.

humanodon  ·  4052 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  

    Otherwise though I think there is something to genital massage that is more than just sexualized "jerking off," and that the ensuing interpersonal bond is absolutely desirable.

That's totally fine. If you're cool with it, own it!

Edit: Sorry flagamuffin, this was what I meant to quote:

    I also really, really doubt that my first job out of college will a) last more than three years, or b) be interesting. I'm fine with that. It's the where and how much that matters to me.

Oops. On another note, I happen to be drinking Porkslap, which is, I guess an appropriate beer to be drinking for this particular error.

user-inactivated  ·  4052 days ago  ·  link  ·  

w- what

am i missing something?

humanodon  ·  4052 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Haha! Oh, cut and paste error. But I think owning that is important too.

user-inactivated  ·  4052 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Wrong thread, I think.

user-inactivated  ·  4052 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I am fucking dying

thenewgreen  ·  4052 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    a) last more than three years, or b) be interesting.
-Spot on. First jobs are a stepping stone. Sometimes the next stone is in the same organization though and often times it's in the same industry. Think about that. Don't just think of the first job or even the second, think about the career path. Have a plan.

-Not sure if that makes sense? Anyways, my point is that 1. you are right, you wont stay at your first job, it's just a springboard but... 2. That springboard will propel you in a specific direction based on industry, culture and connections. It's your foundation. Think about that.