With what the "face" of feminism is, I completely agree. However, "actual" feminism definitely has a place. Simply put women = men. Not women > men. Not "waah make the game the way I want it, so it loses sales". I'm all for equal rights of men and women, but this feminazi stuff really has to go. As for differences in gender and race, yea. They are different. But stereotyping based on race/gender is wrong. But in media it helps quickly establish character. It's also funny to note how the positive stereotypes never get mentioned. Even though they are just as wrong/wicked as the negative ones. As for people getting dumber. Maybe, maybe not. It's hard to say. On one hand, there are plenty of stupid people. And plenty more that seem to be trying to become stupid. On the other, there's plenty of people who are becoming smarter. The internet just allows us to see both. And the louder group happens to be the more ignorant group. I'm sure you'd agree that most people on hubski are definitely a different crowd than the rest of the internet. Unless you are implying all of us are getting dumber as well?
I'm apparently completely alone here because I keep hearing about men and women being equal and nobody even knows what that means. Equal in what? If by equal you mean "the same" then you're wrong. If by equal you mean equal legal rights than that is impossible unless you create 1 legal gender for everyone. You can't have equal rights when you have two legal classifications of humans. You can try but in 100 years the only thing you will accomplish is creating more angry feminists wondering why men and women aren't the same. And you can't make us all the same gender because of our gender differences. I am for gender roles. I encourage feminine behavior in women and masculine behavior in men. Just because a woman has the "right" to act like a man doesn't mean I don't have the right to look down upon them for doing that. Men don't make good women and vice versa. Also I disagree with stereotyping being wrong, in fact one of the problems people have is that they don't stereotype. As an example if you see a black person in the street you are 100% more likely to be robbed by him than if it was a white guy. That is science. It doesn't matter if that black guy won't rob you, you don't know that and all you know is the statistical likelihood that you will be robbed by him. This is partly what I mean by people becoming dumber. We fail to see facts because of stupid concepts like not stereotyping. I could give an example for every stereotype that exists. The fact is we all stereotype and if anyone were to 100% not stereotype anything they would not be able to function in society. I think there is a widening gap in intelligence. At the lower end I think the average dumb person is getting much dumber. However intelligent people are getting more intelligent. And no i'm not implying the users of this site are dumb. I'm here to get away from the dumb people on reddit. The problem I have with liberal people is that they think that feminism is part of being intelligent when in fact feminism is a very simple and dumb idea, but they fail to see that.
I don't see the problem with this. Why even consider gender in the law? Do people not get the same rights? As I mentioned, why does there need to be two legal classifications. Just as the legal system shouldn't see skin color, it shouldn't see gender either. Nor age, for that matter. See, this is where I run into problems. Why the hell do I have to act like a typical masculine man? Why can't I go do feminine things? And for that matter, who defines what those things are? In the past few hundred years, color assignments have changed, clothing assignments have changed, and gender roles are typically becoming more vague and broken. And what about trans people? Which "gender role" should they conform to? Their biological gender, or their "new" gender? That all depends on the person. I've seen plenty of people who I thought were female and were actually male (and vice versa). What? No. That's racist. However, it is science to say, in a certain neighbor hood, more crimes (and robberies) are committed by african americans. So the probabilities can point in that direction. But it's not a fact. Just because someone happens to be of the same skin color as someone who committed a crime, doesn't mean that person will commit a crime. That's like saying: Oh, that serial killer has brown hair, better be careful around people with brown hair. It's fucking stupid. Well, yes. Stereotypes typically have nuggets of truth in them. I'm not rejecting that. I'm saying that judging someone only on stereotypes is not only a stupid thing to do, but in most cases you are probably wrong. Most stereotypes arise from a problem with perception. We see a certain group behave in a way, so we associate them with that action (that's normal for us). But we fail to consider the millions of other people who fall into that same group that don't do that action. I've never said otherwise. There does seem to be widening gap. I really can't stand people for the most part. As I mentioned, it depends on what you consider feminism. In the modern sense, yes, it's incredibly stupid. In the classical/original definition, no, it's not. To take an early example of feminism, do you think women should vote? If you say yes, you support feminism. If you say no, then gratz, you say feminism is stupid. But then there's obviously something wrong with you. Why limit a persons voting rights just because of something outside of their control? I agree that women and men are biologically different. I've never said otherwise. But in terms of what they do, I have no problem with one acting like the other. Honestly, as a guy, I have 0 interest in what is considered "masucline". I tend to stray towards the middle of the spectrum. I like some feminine things (my little pony comes to mind), but I wouldn't say I'm 100% feminine, which is what you seem to be implying. As with everything, it's a spectrum, not two discrete values.If by equal you mean equal legal rights than that is impossible unless you create 1 legal gender for everyone.
You can't have equal rights when you have two legal classifications of humans.
I am for gender roles. I encourage feminine behavior in women and masculine behavior in men.
Men don't make good women and vice versa.
As an example if you see a black person in the street you are 100% more likely to be robbed by him than if it was a white guy. That is science.
We fail to see facts because of stupid concepts like not stereotyping. I could give an example for every stereotype that exists.
I think there is a widening gap in intelligence. At the lower end I think the average dumb person is getting much dumber. However intelligent people are getting more intelligent. And no i'm not implying the users of this site are dumb. I'm here to get away from the dumb people on reddit.
The problem I have with liberal people is that they think that feminism is part of being intelligent when in fact feminism is a very simple and dumb idea, but they fail to see that.
Well to be honest i don't really care about what other people want only what i want. Let me simplify this for you. I want society to be like the asians. Their women make our women look like ogres. I am just a pissed off american who lost my wife to feminists (which is basically everybody) and i don't like manly women. You can live in this feminist hellhole of a country while i'll be in korea or china where real women exist. My definition of masculinity is a lot different than what most people think of. To me being a man has to do with protecting women and children (especially your wife and children). That's it. I'm not talking about macho bullshit. However, many of the behaviors associated with masculinity just so happen to also be about protecting women and children, such as being strong. In fact I think a guy who goes out of his way to do some macho bullshit in an attempt to be "manly" is actually a sign of weakness. I have struggled to come up with any further reply here because our views are so different. Let me put it this way, i want women to be like this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7mPqycQ0tQ
I'm with you on this one. I find asians much more attractive, and prefer the most feminine. I'm just saying people should be free to do as they like (regardless of taste). I'm actually planning on moving to Japan. Oh. Okay then. That's much different than what I thought you originally meant. I still don't quite agree, but I understand where you are coming from. I think people should act how they want to act and look how they want to look. I want women to be like that as well. My ideal would probably be something like this. To wrap it up, this is probably the best way to summarize the discussion: I definitely agree with you on how I'd like women to be, but IMO they should be free to do as they like. Just like how historically, people liked slaves, but the slaves should be free to do as they like. Likes =/= what should be. But I agree, I'm attracted to the standard feminine gender role.Their women make our women look like ogres. I am just a pissed off american who lost my wife to feminists (which is basically everybody) and i don't like manly women.
You can live in this feminist hellhole of a country while i'll be in korea or china where real women exist.
To me being a man has to do with protecting women and children (especially your wife and children). That's it. I'm not talking about macho bullshit. However, many of the behaviors associated with masculinity just so happen to also be about protecting women and children, such as being strong. In fact I think a guy who goes out of his way to do some macho bullshit in an attempt to be "manly" is actually a sign of weakness.
Let me put it this way, i want women to be like this
Well to be honest i don't really care about what other people want only what i want.
I want to go to japan too but i'll probably go to china. And this is where I disagree. First of all I have a problem with the idea that women are or have been oppressed. It's an insult to my intelligence to tell me that women (at least the lucky ones) were oppressed by having all their needs payed for and being able to fulfill their maternal instincts free of danger or hard work, while men were out doing heavy labor and risking their lives. Really you can give all the opinions you want on which is the superior society but let's look at the proof. Let's compare china with america. In china women are traditionally feminine. They are mostly looking for a guy to love and have a family with. When a girl in china get's divorced her life is ruined. She has no financial support and has no prospects of finding another husband. The result is a very low divorce rate and in turn (assuming they aren't starving) they are happy. Then you look at america where women are openly encouraged to divorce their husbands. The result is the freakshow we have today where the average woman has 5 "baby daddies". You have men stripped of their paternal instincts to protect their families, and then you have messed up children who don't have a father to look up to, which creates more fucked up men and women. This is all the result of feminism.I definitely agree with you on how I'd like women to be, but IMO they should be free to do as they like. Just like how historically, people liked slaves, but the slaves should be free to do as they like. Likes =/= what should be.
I'm hesitant to reply to this, because I'm sure you're a troll who is just fucking with us. But if, in fact, this is a serious reply, then I don't think you know enough professional Chinese women. I work with a lot of them who are doctors, scientists and pharmacists, ambitious, high earners who want to be respected as professionals. Also, on the lower end, many of the factory workers in China are female. And this: This is where I know you're fucking with us. You know that spousal rape wasn't even a crime in the US in many states until the 70's?Really you can give all the opinions you want on which is the superior society but let's look at the proof. Let's compare china with america. In china women are traditionally feminine. They are mostly looking for a guy to love and have a family with. When a girl in china get's divorced her life is ruined. She has no financial support and has no prospects of finding another husband. The result is a very low divorce rate and in turn (assuming they aren't starving) they are happy.
First of all I have a problem with the idea that women are or have been oppressed. It's an insult to my intelligence to tell me that women (at least the lucky ones) were oppressed by having all their needs payed for and being able to fulfill their maternal instincts free of danger or hard work, while men were out doing heavy labor and risking their lives.
Yeah, I left this alone because I also thought that it must be intentional trolling. Nice reply though. One thing I would add to it is that any man worth his salt that I know would eventually get bored as hell with one of those mannequins. Strong, intelligent and creative women turn me on far more than what he is suggesting is appealing. But yeah, troll.
You want a man then. Physically you may be attracted to women but psychologically you want a man.
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You appear to be both physically and physiologically attracted to men. It's ok america is into that lately.
This is why i only replied to kakfe. I'm sure there are professional Chinese women, however the majority are not. On my visa application to china one of the "professions" listed was housewife. That would never be an option in america. Also spousal rape is an oxymoron. I know you've probably drank so much of the feminist kool aid that that statement probably blows your mind.