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comment by Kafke

    If by equal you mean equal legal rights than that is impossible unless you create 1 legal gender for everyone.

I don't see the problem with this. Why even consider gender in the law? Do people not get the same rights?

    You can't have equal rights when you have two legal classifications of humans.

As I mentioned, why does there need to be two legal classifications. Just as the legal system shouldn't see skin color, it shouldn't see gender either. Nor age, for that matter.

    I am for gender roles. I encourage feminine behavior in women and masculine behavior in men.

See, this is where I run into problems. Why the hell do I have to act like a typical masculine man? Why can't I go do feminine things? And for that matter, who defines what those things are? In the past few hundred years, color assignments have changed, clothing assignments have changed, and gender roles are typically becoming more vague and broken.

And what about trans people? Which "gender role" should they conform to? Their biological gender, or their "new" gender?

    Men don't make good women and vice versa.

That all depends on the person. I've seen plenty of people who I thought were female and were actually male (and vice versa).

    As an example if you see a black person in the street you are 100% more likely to be robbed by him than if it was a white guy. That is science.

What? No. That's racist. However, it is science to say, in a certain neighbor hood, more crimes (and robberies) are committed by african americans. So the probabilities can point in that direction. But it's not a fact. Just because someone happens to be of the same skin color as someone who committed a crime, doesn't mean that person will commit a crime. That's like saying: Oh, that serial killer has brown hair, better be careful around people with brown hair. It's fucking stupid.

    We fail to see facts because of stupid concepts like not stereotyping. I could give an example for every stereotype that exists.

Well, yes. Stereotypes typically have nuggets of truth in them. I'm not rejecting that. I'm saying that judging someone only on stereotypes is not only a stupid thing to do, but in most cases you are probably wrong. Most stereotypes arise from a problem with perception. We see a certain group behave in a way, so we associate them with that action (that's normal for us). But we fail to consider the millions of other people who fall into that same group that don't do that action.

    I think there is a widening gap in intelligence. At the lower end I think the average dumb person is getting much dumber. However intelligent people are getting more intelligent. And no i'm not implying the users of this site are dumb. I'm here to get away from the dumb people on reddit.

I've never said otherwise. There does seem to be widening gap. I really can't stand people for the most part.

    The problem I have with liberal people is that they think that feminism is part of being intelligent when in fact feminism is a very simple and dumb idea, but they fail to see that.

As I mentioned, it depends on what you consider feminism. In the modern sense, yes, it's incredibly stupid. In the classical/original definition, no, it's not. To take an early example of feminism, do you think women should vote? If you say yes, you support feminism. If you say no, then gratz, you say feminism is stupid. But then there's obviously something wrong with you. Why limit a persons voting rights just because of something outside of their control?

I agree that women and men are biologically different. I've never said otherwise. But in terms of what they do, I have no problem with one acting like the other. Honestly, as a guy, I have 0 interest in what is considered "masucline". I tend to stray towards the middle of the spectrum. I like some feminine things (my little pony comes to mind), but I wouldn't say I'm 100% feminine, which is what you seem to be implying.

As with everything, it's a spectrum, not two discrete values.



ihaveahadron  ·  4067 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Well to be honest i don't really care about what other people want only what i want. Let me simplify this for you. I want society to be like the asians. Their women make our women look like ogres. I am just a pissed off american who lost my wife to feminists (which is basically everybody) and i don't like manly women. You can live in this feminist hellhole of a country while i'll be in korea or china where real women exist.

My definition of masculinity is a lot different than what most people think of. To me being a man has to do with protecting women and children (especially your wife and children). That's it. I'm not talking about macho bullshit. However, many of the behaviors associated with masculinity just so happen to also be about protecting women and children, such as being strong. In fact I think a guy who goes out of his way to do some macho bullshit in an attempt to be "manly" is actually a sign of weakness.

I have struggled to come up with any further reply here because our views are so different.

Let me put it this way, i want women to be like this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7mPqycQ0tQ

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Kafke  ·  4066 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Their women make our women look like ogres. I am just a pissed off american who lost my wife to feminists (which is basically everybody) and i don't like manly women.

I'm with you on this one. I find asians much more attractive, and prefer the most feminine. I'm just saying people should be free to do as they like (regardless of taste).

    You can live in this feminist hellhole of a country while i'll be in korea or china where real women exist.

I'm actually planning on moving to Japan.

    To me being a man has to do with protecting women and children (especially your wife and children). That's it. I'm not talking about macho bullshit. However, many of the behaviors associated with masculinity just so happen to also be about protecting women and children, such as being strong. In fact I think a guy who goes out of his way to do some macho bullshit in an attempt to be "manly" is actually a sign of weakness.

Oh. Okay then. That's much different than what I thought you originally meant. I still don't quite agree, but I understand where you are coming from. I think people should act how they want to act and look how they want to look.

    Let me put it this way, i want women to be like this

I want women to be like that as well. My ideal would probably be something like this.

To wrap it up, this is probably the best way to summarize the discussion:

    Well to be honest i don't really care about what other people want only what i want.

I definitely agree with you on how I'd like women to be, but IMO they should be free to do as they like. Just like how historically, people liked slaves, but the slaves should be free to do as they like. Likes =/= what should be.

But I agree, I'm attracted to the standard feminine gender role.

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ihaveahadron  ·  4066 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I want to go to japan too but i'll probably go to china.

    I definitely agree with you on how I'd like women to be, but IMO they should be free to do as they like. Just like how historically, people liked slaves, but the slaves should be free to do as they like. Likes =/= what should be.

And this is where I disagree. First of all I have a problem with the idea that women are or have been oppressed. It's an insult to my intelligence to tell me that women (at least the lucky ones) were oppressed by having all their needs payed for and being able to fulfill their maternal instincts free of danger or hard work, while men were out doing heavy labor and risking their lives.

Really you can give all the opinions you want on which is the superior society but let's look at the proof. Let's compare china with america. In china women are traditionally feminine. They are mostly looking for a guy to love and have a family with. When a girl in china get's divorced her life is ruined. She has no financial support and has no prospects of finding another husband. The result is a very low divorce rate and in turn (assuming they aren't starving) they are happy.

Then you look at america where women are openly encouraged to divorce their husbands. The result is the freakshow we have today where the average woman has 5 "baby daddies". You have men stripped of their paternal instincts to protect their families, and then you have messed up children who don't have a father to look up to, which creates more fucked up men and women.

This is all the result of feminism.

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b_b  ·  4066 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Really you can give all the opinions you want on which is the superior society but let's look at the proof. Let's compare china with america. In china women are traditionally feminine. They are mostly looking for a guy to love and have a family with. When a girl in china get's divorced her life is ruined. She has no financial support and has no prospects of finding another husband. The result is a very low divorce rate and in turn (assuming they aren't starving) they are happy.

I'm hesitant to reply to this, because I'm sure you're a troll who is just fucking with us. But if, in fact, this is a serious reply, then I don't think you know enough professional Chinese women. I work with a lot of them who are doctors, scientists and pharmacists, ambitious, high earners who want to be respected as professionals. Also, on the lower end, many of the factory workers in China are female.

And this:

    First of all I have a problem with the idea that women are or have been oppressed. It's an insult to my intelligence to tell me that women (at least the lucky ones) were oppressed by having all their needs payed for and being able to fulfill their maternal instincts free of danger or hard work, while men were out doing heavy labor and risking their lives.

This is where I know you're fucking with us. You know that spousal rape wasn't even a crime in the US in many states until the 70's?

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thenewgreen  ·  4066 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yeah, I left this alone because I also thought that it must be intentional trolling. Nice reply though. One thing I would add to it is that any man worth his salt that I know would eventually get bored as hell with one of those mannequins. Strong, intelligent and creative women turn me on far more than what he is suggesting is appealing. But yeah, troll.

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ihaveahadron  ·  4066 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You want a man then. Physically you may be attracted to women but psychologically you want a man.

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thenewgreen  ·  4066 days ago  ·  link  ·  

ignored. and muted.

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b_b  ·  4066 days ago  ·  link  ·  

My ideal woman (hint: it's the muscles):

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ihaveahadron  ·  4066 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You appear to be both physically and physiologically attracted to men. It's ok america is into that lately.

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ihaveahadron  ·  4066 days ago  ·  link  ·  

This is why i only replied to kakfe. I'm sure there are professional Chinese women, however the majority are not. On my visa application to china one of the "professions" listed was housewife. That would never be an option in america.

Also spousal rape is an oxymoron. I know you've probably drank so much of the feminist kool aid that that statement probably blows your mind.

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