a thoughtful web.
Good ideas and conversation. No ads, no tracking.   Login or Take a Tour!
comment by thenewgreen
thenewgreen  ·  4101 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Hubski Book Club 2666 pt 1 discussion thread

"Still Life With Woodpecker" -That was a fantastic read.





cliffelam  ·  4101 days ago  ·  link  ·  

That was a big book for me when I was much younger. Not sure it was as good in my 40's. Hard to go back to those kind of books. Why I've resisted re-readying much Any Rand.

Ian Banks sci-fi books seem to have held up for me, though his horrible political viewpoints have really colored (coloured) them for re-reading.

-XC

thenewgreen  ·  4101 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Haven't read any Ian Banks. Just read my first Rand and it was pretty bad, but I could see how it would be good at 12 years old. -not trying to be funny, I really could.

Still Life was an awesome read when I was 18, as were all of Tom Robbin's books. I don't dare read any now for fear that the magic will no longer hold sway....

cliffelam  ·  4101 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Rand is for the young at mind....

JakobVirgil  ·  4099 days ago  ·  link  ·  

or anyone that wants someone to tell them their basest impulses are moral.

cliffelam  ·  4099 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Many of people's "base" impulses must lead to moral conclusions, else how else would we get to a moral state?

-XC

JakobVirgil  ·  4099 days ago  ·  link  ·  

When did we get to a moral state?

I guess it boils down to whether not homo sapiens in his wild state is a villain.

Are we acculturated to be good or evil.

is morality adherence to cultural norm or something else.

cliffelam  ·  4099 days ago  ·  link  ·  

In a "wild state" what is the standard for heroism or villainy?

Hey, we're back in PHL106!

-XC

JakobVirgil  ·  4099 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Oh I hope not. (philosophy is horrible stuff.) obviously humans are social animals so even our wild man has to live in a social context.

Can cultures be seen as objectively good or bad?

Nazis compared to say Puerto Ricans?

is the moral man the one that does what his culture expects of him?

cliffelam  ·  4099 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Well, the natives of Puerto Rico probably didn't think much of the Spaniards who displaced them with slaves.

I loved my PHL classes. Logic too.

-XC

JakobVirgil  ·  4099 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I like logic PHL on the other hand lacks rigor in the selection of its axioms.