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kleinbl00  ·  4219 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: This Is The World's First Entirely 3D-Printed Gun

The reason to bet against 3D printing is it is now, has always been and shall always be a prototyping technology. As lots of geeks are into making one of a "thing" a prototyping technology is exactly what they need.

however, geeks who actually have a modicum of understanding of metallurgy and manufacturing processes have been making one of a "thing" for centuries. It's cheaper, stronger, generally faster and, I say this having been on both sides, a HELL of a lot more fun.

Check out Gingery Books. If I can injection-mold shit out of coke bottles using a drill press, why the fuck would I spend $96 for 3lbs of ABS?





user-inactivated  ·  4219 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    The reason to bet against 3D printing is it is now, has always been and shall always be a prototyping technology.
I hope not. And I imagine no one would be making a big deal out of it if it didn't have the potential to be much more accessible than the techniques in the videos on that site. I don't know that it does, because I've just become interested in it -- I'm just assuming from the level of attention it's gotten compared to other similar tech. It may ultimately prove to be just another modern digital art form. That's cool too.
kleinbl00  ·  4219 days ago  ·  link  ·  

3d printing is to manufacturing what desktop printing was to printing. Yeah, you don't need to go to Kinko's any more. But if you want to print out 100 pages of a thesis, it's still cheaper to go visit Kinko's.

The reason "everyone" is making such a big deal about it is that with 3D printing, you don't need to understand the first fucking thing about manufacturing - you just need to be able to run Sketchup. Just like you don't need to understand CMYK printing to print out a photo of your daughter.

The difference being, desktop printing is marginally more expensive than workshop printing with incrementally fewer materials choices... while 3d printing is orders of magnitude more expensive than traditional manufacturing with radically fewer materials choices.

Hubski has a hard-on for 3D printing because there's a willful insistence on not understanding it. Which makes sense - the only people who had to learn materials science were mechanical engineers, so only mechanical engineers really understand how hard 3D printing sucks for anything but prototyping.

"Prototyping" isn't a well-understood word anyway.

user-inactivated  ·  4219 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    The difference being, desktop printing is marginally more expensive than workshop printing with incrementally fewer materials choices... while 3d printing is orders of magnitude more expensive than traditional manufacturing with radically fewer materials choices.
And neither of those things will change? "shall always be a prototyping technology"? If that's the case, I agree with you. Again, not an expert or even a hobbyist.
kleinbl00  ·  4219 days ago  ·  link  ·  

"Prototyping technologies" are those with no economies of scale. If you're injection molding, you get efficiencies when you're making 10, 100, 0r 1000. If you're printing books, you get efficiencies when you're making 10, 100 or 1000. Hell, collating is an efficiency.

3D printing is always a 1-off. Every time you make a new one, it's the same as if you were making it the first time. Just like using an inkjet printer- every time you run it, it's the same as if you were running that photo the first time.

WIth "manufacturing" you can use "anything." With 3D printing you can use "soft, melty things."

It will never change.

user-inactivated  ·  4218 days ago  ·  link  ·  

All right. You've convinced me. I'm still excited about it as a one-off, though, and I can understand why everyone else is.

kleinbl00  ·  4218 days ago  ·  link  ·  

If I could buy a 3D printer for $400 that burned fishing line, I'd do it. I think Candyfab is awesome. Bathsheba Grossman is doing this stuff exactly right - "let's use 3d printing to do the stuff we can't do any other way."

But I've also done sandcasting. I've also done lost wax. Hell - my dad made my parents' wedding rings out of 1950s dimes using a coffee can and investment wax. And I'm here to say - the materials you can reasonably work with in 3D printing are a far cry from the materials you want in your life... and the materials you want in your life aren't as hard to work with as most people think.

user-inactivated  ·  4218 days ago  ·  link  ·  

"The revolution will be Caramelized" -wonderful.