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First of all, great interview. Marlene Zuk is one of my favorite guests you've had thus far based solely on the conversation you two had. This book sounds fascinating and I think theadvancedapes would enjoy it. I had recorded a video cast on running in which cliffelam mentioned that humans are "designed" to outrun any animal in nature. I didn't realize at the time that he was referring to the persistence hunting hypothesis. According to Wikipedia the Kalahari Bushmen are still using this method. -It's amazing what we are capable of. Also, I too have had the experience of taking my dog on a run only to have him look at me half way through as if to say, "dude, are you seriously going to keep going?"

It's an interesting observation that we can never truly be "in tune" because our environment as well as ourselves are in a constant state of flux. There is no "pause button" and if there is, I surely don't want to hit it, I rather enjoy existing.

"bonked?"





mpoe  ·  4235 days ago  ·  link  ·  

We are also "designed" to throw. We throw like birds fly. Really. Think about it.

thenewgreen  ·  4235 days ago  ·  link  ·  

If my 2 year old's table manners are any evidence, "throwing things" starts pretty early too. "like birds fly," may be a bit of a stretch, unless you're Justin Verlander, but still I appreciate the thought.

While the ability to throw as accurately as humans can and with the velocity and distance that we can is unique to us, there are some primates that give it a pretty good go. Consider Santino, a male chimp in Sweden that will hide rocks under piles of hay in a plot to later hurl them at visitors. But we definitely have the advantage in the throwing department over our ape friends, though it seems that there is a bigger disparity in accuracy between male/females in humans than in apes. I wonder why that is and what selected for that? theadvancedapes, was this a result of men being the "hunters" and therefore having to be more accurate with a spear?

theadvancedapes  ·  4234 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Research on chimpanzees (the only other adept throwers in the animal kingdom) has shown that communication capability is tightly correlated with throwing ability. Primatologists also found that throwing ability was tied to a well developed area of the left hemisphere called Broca's area. This area of the brain is responsible for speech in humans. Therefore, some have suggested that accurate throwing may have been a form of communicative self-expression (i.e., I don't like you and I'm going to let you know about it by pelting you with rocks). I'm not so sure myself. I'd have to do some more research. And in terms of the difference between men and women - that would seem to support a hypothesis related to hunting. However, it is important to note that hunting with long-distance projectiles (e.g., spears) is a modern human development; no other Homo species I know of developed that technology or ability.

humanodon  ·  4234 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Could this be related to fine motor function? I threw javelin in high school and it's as much about (technique, particularly how the fingers spin the javelin and release it) as it is strength and timing.

theadvancedapes  ·  4234 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It most certainly could be. The reason I was slightly reserved with my analysis is because there seems to be competing hypotheses in the literature and I have only read the primatology literature on chimpanzee throwing. However, I have not read the paleoanthropological literature which may support the hunting hypothesis. Maybe EvoAnth can help!

cliffelam  ·  4235 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You don't grok bonked?

I would say that persistance hunting is not a hypothesis, it is a fact. AGW is hypothesized. Heck, evolution (which I buy into) is hypothesized.

Just shaving with Occam's razor, boys.

-XC

theadvancedapes  ·  4235 days ago  ·  link  ·  

That book keeps catching my eye everytime I go into Chapters. I should be making a big mass book purchase soon. Maybe I'll have to include Paleofantasy.