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kleinbl00  ·  4780 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Climate Skeptics Take Another Hit
The fact that you think this is "out of left field" illustrates your casual knowledge of the anti-vax movement. Michelle Bachmann tore into Rick Perry about the HPV vaccine on grounds of totalitarianism... not on grounds of safety. Her argument was that by forcing girls to be vaccinated against STDs Rick Perry was forcing them to be promiscuous.

The antivax movement got its start from Andrew Wakefield's Lancet article of 1998, which has not only been widely discredited it was actually retracted. That took 11 years, however, and in the interim Bobby Kennedy wrote a piece tying vaccines to autism in Rolling Stone, Jenny McCarthy set up a PAC against vaccination and white liberal women in wealthy areas of Los Angeles managed to bring back measles.

http://tallguywrites.livejournal.com/148012.html

I call the anti-vax movement a "disease of the left" because I see it every day. My wife is a midwife for the affluent in Los Angeles. She makes a not-insubstantial amount of money every month holding seminars on vaccines. These women are her clients, and not a one of them has ever voted republican. Ever.

Those are the facts. There's nothing absurd about them. If you think there is, it indicates that your understanding is lacking.





thenewgreen  ·  4780 days ago  ·  link  ·  
On the issue of the "anti-vax" movement. It's undeniable that Michele Bachmann was referring to the HPV vaccine to try and paint Rick Perry as a promoter of underaged promiscuous sex. -Pure opportunism on her part and it seemed isolated to this one vaccine. The larger proponents of the movement have been on the left. That said, I don't live in LA, until recently I lived in the midwest. I know many conservative housewives that think vaccinations are dangerous. It is an issue that has permeated the living rooms of both conservatives and liberals alike. -Idiocy holds no claim to political persuasion here.

That said, it is mostly these people that are the most vocal proponents: http://www.hubski.com/pub?id=5705

ecib  ·  4780 days ago  ·  link  ·  
>The fact that you think this is "out of left field" illustrates your casual knowledge of the anti-vax movement.

I was referring to your introducing political affiliations into the discussion as out of left field and irrelevant. Not the antivax movement.

Also, you're completely incorrect to suggest that Bachman didn't preach an anti-science message, and that it was only a problem of overreaching government. She got on the Today Show and told millions of viewers about how it could cause mental retardation (her source, a tearful mother). Let's be real here for a second and not pretend this didn't happen, and what her message was.

Finally, all it takes for antivax to not be branded a 'disease of the left' is for the right to share in it. Kind of takes away your ability to honestly brand it that way. Again, not that this whole left/right thing has anything to do with the climate change deniers being appropriately labeled as such.

kleinbl00  ·  4780 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Are you seriously suggesting that climate skepticism isn't a partisan issue? That makes as little sense as suggesting the anti-vax movement isn't a partisan issue. Climate votes in the house and senate invariably fall down party lines. And prior to Michelle Bachmann (who isn't gunning for vaccines, she's gunning for Rick Perry), not a single person on the right had said boo about vaccines.

I no longer see any point in continuing this conversation. You have a malformed idea in your head based on a limited exposure to the issue and you're going to go to the mattresses with that. Have fun. I'm out.