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b_b  ·  4791 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: The surprising psychology of those who disapprove of the Occupy Wall Street protests
Only tangentially related, but I came across this quote recently, and I think it speaks to the sea change that we've had in this country in the last several decades:

"Should any political party attempt to abolish Social Security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things, but their number is negligible and”–and the president says–”their number is negligible and they are stupid."

The reason I say it speaks to the dramatic shift in people's view of social justice is that this isn't from Huey Long or FDR; it was Dwight Eisenhower. Can you imagine a GOP leader espousing this today?!





thenewgreen  ·  4790 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Recently d_e_solomon posted an article from the New Yorker titled, "Confounding Fathers": http://hubski.com/pub?id=6705

The piece traces the fringe rights origins from Robert Welch and his John Birch Society to their current cheerleader, Glenn Beck. -It was a fantastic read, I suggest checking it out.

After reading it, I'm convinced that the people Eisenhower is referring to as "stupid" are those in the John Birch Society and their ilk. Below is an excerpt:

"In a tract Welch wrote titled “The Politician,” he attacked President Dwight D. Eisenhower as “a dedicated, conscious agent of the Communist conspiracy”

b_b  ·  4790 days ago  ·  link  ·  
I read that article; its an amazing piece of journalism. I had heard of this Skousen as Beck's idol, but I really didn't know anything about him. Really gives some perspective about why GB always has those silly white boards and how everything always points back to Hitler and Communists (without regard for the fact that Hitler and Stalin were sworn enemies, of course). Fringe groups are always going to exist; I think its a way for people to consciously escape reality. In that way, the rise of the fringe into the mainstream over the last decade make sense. The entire Right Wing ideology has been basically defunct by the educated class, so people are retreating farther to the right as a defense mechanism, a way to hold onto what they've believed to be true their entire lives. There was an interesting study done in the late 80s where a group of psychologists showed that if judges are reminded of their mortality prior to deciding the bond in prostitution hearing, the average bond is set 9 times higher (the originals authors summarize the work starting on pg. 26 here: http://plaza.ufl.edu/phallman/terror%20management%20theory/3... ). This seems to be in keeping with the current rise in extremism. When one's world view is overthrown, its akin to being reminded of your own mortality in an abstract way, since when we die we can take solace in the fact that our life's works will still live; kill the culture, and you've prevented eternal life, perhaps. Maybe this is BS, but I don't think so.
thenewgreen  ·  4790 days ago  ·  link  ·  
I don't disagree with your premise of how the fringe infiltrated the mainstream but I would add to the "escape reality" portion that they do it for easily defined enemies. I would wager that most of the people following Beck couldn't tell you the difference between communism, socialism and totalitarianism.... they just know they are all "evil" and are the "enemy".

It's hard for people to live in a world where no one is to blame for their lot in life. -I'm not saying that policy makers don't effect the lives of their constituents, I'm just saying it's a whole lot easier to call Obama a socialist muslim that wasn't born in the US than it is to recognize that you are unemployed because you are uneducated or not skilled.

Wow! $455 bond vs. $50. -That's a sizable variance. Is your point that when contemplating the death of your ideology one is likely to go to extreme lengths in response? A knee jerk reaction to the "lunatic fringe"?