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kleinbl00  ·  4786 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: I think OWS presages a powerful independent 2012 Presidential candidate.
That's not the way independent candidates work.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_elec... (Executive Summary - Teddy Roosevelt costs Taft the presidency and ushers in Woodrow Wilson)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixiecrat (executive summary - by splintering off from the Democratic party in the name of segregation, Strom Thurmond cost Dewey the election against Truman, while also starting the long slide of the South from Democratic to Republican)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Wallace_presidential_cam... (executive summary - for "Strom Thurmond" substitute "George Wallace", for "truman" substitute "Humphrey" - George Wallace put Nixon in office)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Nader#The_.22spoiler.22_c... (executive summary - the "edit war" over whether or not Nader cost Gore the presidency in 2000)

I remember Perot. I remember 2000. And I don't see a 3rd party candidate - unless it's Jesus Christ himself - doing anything other than costing Obama the election in favor of whoever the Republicans put against him.





mk  ·  4786 days ago  ·  link  ·  
I remember Perot. I remember 2000. And I don't see a 3rd party candidate - unless it's Jesus Christ himself - doing anything other than costing Obama the election in favor of whoever the Republicans put against him.

Yeah, I remember these too. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying "Hey, an independent candidate is a good idea." or even "OWS should get an independent candidate." I'm just looking at the state of things, and I'm getting the notion that this is how things might play out considering the circumstances.

I'm also not predicting a win for this candidate. I'm just predicting that he/she could be a game-changer, and yes, probably not in a good way for Obama.

Personally speaking, I was dismayed at what happened with Nader and Gore in 2000. I had a few Nader-loving friends, and considering GWB, I thought it to be bad timing for a protest vote. That, and as a scientist, I was pretty excited about a Gore Presidency. Of course, maybe my friends were right, considering Clinton signing Glass-Steagall, etc., but I don't think that the Nader supporters I knew were that savvy or prescient. However, this time around, I don't see such a stark difference between Romney and Obama as between Gore and Bush. I know that those Naderites would be more than happy to make a protest vote this time around, and in this case, I don't personally think the timing is that bad.

But, my personal politics aside, I'm just saying that I think that there's good reason why an independent candidate could be a big player in this election. Herman Cain is a thorn in Romney's (and the GOP's) side right now? Both parties are trying to wrangle some serious discontent.

thenewgreen  ·  4786 days ago  ·  link  ·  
I remember Perot too, he's a hard one to forget. Nader's timing did suck. I agree that an Obama or Romney presidency probably aren't all that different, maybe it's time to stir up the pot with a viable 3rd party candidate? If nothing else, perhaps they could plant a seed for a multi-party system?
kleinbl00  ·  4786 days ago  ·  link  ·  
I dunno. I think it would take some serious charisma to bend a largely-spontaneous popular movement based on unrest into an organized force rallying around any one person's platform. I mean, check out the Tea Party - have they done much more than been a stumbling block in the race? And they're not even interested in playing games with the Democrats, they're a Republican splinter faction only.
mk  ·  4786 days ago  ·  link  ·  
True enough. However, imagine if Palin wanted to spoil the GOP ticket and get Obama re-elected. That's almost her choice to make, IMO.
mk  ·  4786 days ago  ·  link  ·  
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kleinbl00  ·  4786 days ago  ·  link  ·  
From your lips to God's ears...
mk  ·  4786 days ago  ·  link  ·  
o_O