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kleinbl00  ·  4330 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Will the Real Lance Armstrong Please Stand Up?

My uncle used to race rally cars. He won an old car rally in '86 - the Great Race\) - back when it was cars 50 years old and older. Which meant pre-war. a 1914 Dodge Brothers Touring driven from DC to Los Angeles won him a $150k purse.

In 1989 he ran it again, again in the Dodge Bros touring. This time, every single stop he made, they made the mechanics take the car apart looking for cheats. Finally after five days on the road they insisted that the transmission come out and be dismantled. Lo and behold - synchromesh gears. Because transmissions from 1914 Dodges are rather rare, the vehicle's owner had put Pugeot gears inside the Dodge case. They were cheating. In order to avoid scandal, they were stripped of their age advantage, forced to compete as a 1939, and finished the race in 8th place.

The amazing thing to me was not that my uncle was cheating. It was that everyone was cheating, it just didn't matter until you were winning. We knew people on that race running modern engines. Vehicles running steel-belted radials (which really improves your timing over canvas bias-ply, lemme tell ya!). Problem is, when you're charging a $30k entry fee of everybody running, and you've got a bunch of gentlemen racers out having a good time, they do not like to see a professional rally driver at the helm of anything.

In every sport in every nation in every league above amateur, people cheat. The argument about Major League Baseball isn't who's doping, it's who isn't doping. The basic problem is that doping works, doping is impossible to detect, and there are hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars on the line. And, since we pretend that somehow athletes are always role models and always the better angels of our nature, they aren't doing what it is clearly obvious everybody is doing. It's a competition. You do anything for an edge. Sunrise, sunset, forever and ever amen.

Science ain't like that. Nobody says "I wanna become a geneticist because I want Nobel money." Nobody gets into journalism because they want a Peabody on their mantlepiece. The accolades are a side-effect of the job. They are a validation, not an end product.

The world is coming down on Lance Armstrong like a ten ton shithammer because competitions have rules and he broke them. Mostly because he then lied about it for ten years. If he'd happened to cure polio along the way nobody would give two shits if he did it with a steady drip of goat estrogen on an IV pole strapped to his rear fender or whatever. But since the beginning and end of the entire process was competition governed by strict rules, everybody's doing the panty-twist dance.





lil  ·  4330 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Science ain't like that. Nobody says "I wanna become a geneticist because I want Nobel money." Nobody gets into journalism because they want a Peabody on their mantlepiece. The accolades are a side-effect of the job. They are a validation, not an end product.
Yeah you are right about that. I wonder, though, if people get into baseball or cycling because first and foremost they love love love the sport. Maybe love underlies all the cheating because they think they need the drugs to be able to continue doing what they love. Thanks for the story about your uncle. That's fascinating.
kleinbl00  ·  4330 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I think everyone gets into sports because they love it. I think 99.999% of them will never make any money from it. And I think those that are suddenly faced with Megabux find themselves staring at a little red dude with horns holding a contract and calling them Faust.

Lance Armstrong didn't quit while he was ahead. As far as I'm concerned, his primary crime is pride.

MattholomewCup  ·  4330 days ago  ·  link  ·  

So why have the rules at all? If it's so ubiquitous, and we all know it, why does it matter? It's not as though athletes doping hurts anyone, if everyone is on even ground with it.

Spitfire75  ·  4330 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Or we could have 2 separate classes, one for doping and one for the way is now. I'm kinda curious on how far they can push the human body.

user-inactivated  ·  4329 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I remember reading somewhere on reddit someone propose the concept of the Steroid Olympics.

kleinbl00  ·  4330 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Did someone say "All Drug Olympics?" I think someone said "All Drug Olympics." Much as it pains me, I believe I am duty bound to link.