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comment by cliffelam

I said that it was on the anniversary of prohibition. Like having your swearing in on the anniversary of the GB address. Symbolism.

Violence in America has been studied to death. Pun not strictly intended. But the volume of literature is amazing, all peer reviewed, and all startlingly complete. But, according to my Ph.D. wife, generally short of useful and actionable policy suggestions.

I'm all for smarts, but remember when the CDC was going to study gun violence? I think there is a credibility gap in a lot of direct government research.

_XC

PS - People who are gun owners who care about the second amendment, I would venture to say, are generally perfectly terrified of big city liberal politicians as a class.





MattholomewCup  ·  4333 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Regarding your PS: I would wager that big city liberal politicians as a class are similarly afraid of gun owners caring about the second amendment.

Regarding the rest: I am ashamed of my not realizing today was the anniversary of prohibition, although I'm still not convinced the symbolic parallel is there. As far as researching violence in America, I would agree with you that there is a considerable amount of information out there which has not been acted on. But I think there's always more to know, and finding information that could be actionable policy suggestions would be worth the cost. It's better for everyone if the government can enact policies based on reason and science first, instead of an emotional knee-jerk reaction, as many people (admittedly, myself included) felt about impossibly tough, immediate gun control after Sandy Hook. Credibility may be an issue with government research but until we see more private organizations making an effort to research violence and its causes in an objective, peer-reviewed way, government efforts may be the best we have to work with. All research is, sadly, tainted by biased human hands. Personally, I think the CDC may be our most effective research body but I admit it can never be perfect.

cliffelam  ·  4333 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I can promise you that, at this moment, there are hundreds of academic papers being written on violence. I'd be shocked if there were new insights.

I'm sure that many politicians are afraid of the Bill of Rights. That's kind of the point of it, and why it wasn't in the original documentation. If you've never read the history of our founding documents, from the Articles to the Bill, the wikipedia entry is excellent. I can also recommend several good books that layer a lot of the politics of the time on them.

-XC

MattholomewCup  ·  4333 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Even if you were correct, the unlikelihood of new insights is hardly good reason to not keep investigating and searching for useful answers, especially at a time when we could really use them to help us act intelligently. I'd rather try and find out as much as possible, than be stuck at the mercy of the powerful emotions surrounding the issue of gun control. Obama's executive orders empower the medical, mental health, and law enforcement communities to find more answers through their efforts, and with luck could help us uncover more facts than we had known prior.

I'm no more than an amateur at understanding US history, however I am aware that the Bill of Rights was created to empower Americans against the government, and not to give the government greater rights over citizens than needed to promote "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness". However, the Bill of Rights was also not enshrined as a dogma to not be questioned or changed as times called for them. What was written in the constitution was what, at the time, the United States needed to provide a country safe for democracy and liberty. Part of that was establishing a militia of armed citizens, due to the lack of a standing military force. This is no longer the case, to my knowledge. Whether or not gun ownership is inherently needed to promote the safety and freedom of American citizens is debatable. It has been a while since I've done any careful reading on the history around the Bill of Rights specifically, so perhaps I should be sure to brush up soon. If you have any good books, do share.