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theadvancedapes  ·  4334 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: What Is Consciousness? Make Up Your Own Mind!

Emergent Dualism appeals to me as well. Part of me thinks Quantum Consciousness could be right as well. We don't know enough about the quantum world to rule it out, and I think we won't create "spiritual machines" until we start creating computer models of the brain at the quantum level.





StephenBuckley  ·  4334 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I always look at the quantum argument with some bafflement. We don't understand a lot of things that I don't theorize to be in the brain. We don't understand Quasars, but I wouldn't bet that they're intimately tied to the brain's functionality! It's different, but not much different.

MattholomewCup  ·  4333 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I'm skeptical of the use of the word "quantum" in front of anything to explain any phenomenon we don't fully understand yet. Maybe it's Deepak Chopra's fault but whenever someone refers to the idea of quantum consciousness or anything of that nature it makes me want to ask them, exactly what does the Q-word add to your understanding?

StephenBuckley  ·  4333 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Soopr Science Consciousness.

theadvancedapes  ·  4334 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I was just trying to make the point that if AI do become conscious, it will likely be with quantum computing. Therefore, it is possible that there is some quantum effect in our brains that we can't currently detect. I'm not saying it is the most convincing hypothesis, but we can't rule it out.

StephenBuckley  ·  4334 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I haven't seen any compelling evidence that quantum computing will move AI along more than any other field. What makes you think that?

theadvancedapes  ·  4334 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Many futurists estimate that AI will reach and surpass human levels between 2025-2035. All computing will be quantum at this time period if current trends hold. Therefore, I would hypothesize that something a the quantum scale of computing could cause consciousness. However, it is also possible that AI never becomes conscious, or it may be possible that consciousness is an emergent property of complexity. I don't think anyone has the definitive answer at the moment.

StephenBuckley  ·  4334 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Well, a few things. First of all the AI community's not great at these estimations (third paragraph down). Secondly, those predictions aren't founded primarily on the idea of quantum computing (which will change everything, obviously) but on the basis of hitting or coming close to the Singularity. This is based on making a machine (or software) which can create a better machine (or software). Definitely no one has a definitive answer about what makes consciousness, and similarly, no one has a definitive goal for AI. Because no one knows what they're aiming at, I tend to be pretty skeptical about predictions of how/when they're going to get there.

And even still, equating quantum computing and the brain might be a huge mistake- there is definitely no evidence that our brains use quantum computing.

b_b  ·  4334 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Noooooo!!! I hate dualism (or "emergent dualism", which is code for "regular dualism"). It will be the subject of a blog post quite soon. Its something I feel strongly about.

mk  ·  4334 days ago  ·  link  ·  

That's my problem with it. I don't think there is a critical point at which 'dualism' is reached.

I cannot imagine a choice made without action without a degree of consciousness. Consciousness can be mundane, less mundane, or quite complex, but it's all cosciousness.

IiB said I am an Emergent Dualist Behavioralist, which sounds ridiculous to me.

Looking forward to that post, btw.

theadvancedapes  ·  4334 days ago  ·  link  ·  

That's hilarious. Should make for a good discussion on sunday.

b_b  ·  4334 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I'll bring my A game. Study up!