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mk  ·  4356 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: The Folly of the College Credit Hour

Under the current system and with the current economy in the US, I would guess that college is unnecessary for 30-50% of students. Most skills can be learned on the job for many of these students, and they aren't getting much out of college except for debt or much less cash on hand. Many universities simply use the inflation of job market educational requirements as a cash cow, making it easy for students to get in, pay them, and get out. The unecessary requirement of a college degree for many jobs has become a new mortgage that doesn't appreciate.

With the glut of these easy in-and-out programs, I'm surprised that some colleges haven't worked to distinguish themselves by being very demanding, aside from the usual suspects.





ike  ·  4355 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Many employers now expect over-education of their employees. I think post-secondary education is unnecessary for quite the majority of jobs in the United States, but since everyone goes to college now, why shouldn't they seek out grads, even if it isn't necessary? Students see all these employers demanding degrees even for low-level jobs, so they think they must go to college. It's a positive feedback loop.

ButterflyEffect  ·  4356 days ago  ·  link  ·  

At my college engineering students must complete 5 liberal arts/non-major related courses along with completing at least a concentration (3 additional courses) in a subject of their choice. While this adds to the rigor, these courses are generally easy and don't add much to acquiring a job out of college. If anything, they prevent students from being able to graduate earlier than scheduled.

I feel it's a matter of viewpoint, but I don't feel that engineering students should be forced to take say, cultural anthropology, in order to fill a requirement.

ike  ·  4355 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Remember that the purpose of college is not career training. Education is autotelic. Fortunately, it also often doubles as preparation for a career, which makes it feasible for many people to pursue. But that is not its fundamental purpose.

mk  ·  4356 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    I feel it's a matter of viewpoint, but I don't feel that engineering students should be forced to take say, cultural anthropology, in order to fill a requirement.

My undergraduate was in physics, however when the professor was good, I found my liberal arts electives to be very valuable. I actually had a 'music appreciation' class that I got a lot from, just because the instructor was so knowledgeable and passionate. My biggest problem is with fluff that costs a lot. But I do feel that a proper education is a well-rounded one.

Wintermute  ·  4356 days ago  ·  link  ·  

|My biggest problem is with fluff that costs a lot.

One solution would be to charge different rates for different subjects. Of course, that would likely end with engineering and science credits costing more, not music appreciation credits costing less.

ButterflyEffect  ·  4356 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I agree with this, what I dislike is how some of the requirements are defined. I don't believe that a student should be forced to take x number of humanities courses, along with y number of arts of expression courses. I think the system would be better served having a requirement for general education, but not defining the subjects that must be taken. Allow the student to explore his/her interests. I have taken some very useful and interesting courses, but have also taken some worthless ones due to being forced to choose between a narrow selection to complete some requirements.

mk  ·  4355 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I agree that a program like that would probably work well. Require someone to learn outside their major, but give them the freedom to focus on a limited number of other things that interest them.