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comment by kleinbl00

I dunno, man. Let's talk about this.

Supreme Court ruled in 1905 in Jacobson V. Massachusetts that states' health departments absolutely have the right to vax your ass. However, the majority opinion issued basically says you can't do this through OSHA:

    “Although Congress has indisputably given OSHA the power to regulate occupational dangers, it has not given that agency the power to regulate public health more broadly,” the court wrote in an unsigned opinion.

Which, if you look at the OSH Act, does not cover "workplace hazards regulated by another federal agency". So from a legal precedent standpoint it's pretty clear: if you want vaccines, you gotta come at it through the health department, not OSHA. Which means you gotta come at it through HHS, which means "people who breathe" not "people who work for a large employer." This is why "people who work indirectly for the HHS" was upheld.

Letting OSHA decide what vaccines you get would be problematic. It gives them the legal clearance to mandate any hazard, not just work-related hazards. It gives them the legal clearance to address your habits outside of work, not just at work.

The Biden administration went at this knowing it would be shut down, knowing the libruls would lose their minds, and knowing they lacked the juice to mandate vaccines for the whole goddamn country at every level. To me, this is trial lawyers screaming about McDonald's hot coffee.





ButterflyEffect  ·  1049 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yeah, in this case I actually agree with the reasoning behind this decision from the Supreme Court. The precedence is not there to allow OSHA to have the ability to mandate workplace vaccines, nor is this a strong legal argument IMO to change course on that precedence.

OftenBen  ·  1049 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    It gives them the legal clearance to mandate any hazard, not just work-related hazards. It gives them the legal clearance to address your habits outside of work, not just at work.

I mean, this happens already in essence anyway from what I understand.

If your habits outside of work endanger others while you are at work we already police that. From my point of view showing up to work at the lumber yard or dock or office without a vaccine in your bloodstream is functionally the functionally same as showing up with an intoxicant in it.

And we also have mandated vaccines for students all the way up into college.

Of course there's no way any of this could be dealt with in a nuanced manner that acknowledges that we are in a once in a century health crisis that needs to be handled as such.

We are committed to the longest slowest costliest most lethal path forward. I don't know why I bother engaging on any health related topics anymore. The open and cheerful mercenary nature we approach it with makes me too disheartened.

kleinbl00  ·  1049 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    I mean, this happens already in essence anyway from what I understand.

How much interaction have you had with OSHA? I have found them to be phenomenally toothless.

    If your habits outside of work endanger others while you are at work we already police that.

Who is "we" in this instance? Is it OSHA? Can you confirm that it is OSHA?

    From my point of view showing up to work at the lumber yard or dock or office without a vaccine in your bloodstream is functionally the functionally same as showing up with an intoxicant in it.

Right... but this isn't the Court of OB or else all those professing religion of any kind would have long since been strung up by their dicks and flogged with razor wire.

    And we also have mandated vaccines for students all the way up into college.

Still not OSHA.

    Of course there's no way any of this could be dealt with in a nuanced manner that acknowledges that we are in a once in a century health crisis that needs to be handled as such.

There is! State of emergency exists, emergency powers act in force, totally coulda had HHS mandate vaccines. Woulda been a different fight. Supreme Court still might have set a bad precedent. Would have been, uhm, "interesting." Might not have been heartening. So they took a flyer at "maybe they'll let OSHA do it, but prolly not."

    We are committed to the longest slowest costliest most lethal path forward.

Again, who is this "we?"

    I don't know why I bother engaging on any health related topics anymore.

You vomited forth one word. I'm the one who drew you out into (semi) thoughtful discussion. I would say your engagement per se has been perfunctory at best.

    The open and cheerful mercenary nature we approach it with makes me too disheartened.

The worst thing about Fundies is they never stop being Fundies. They just reverse direction.

OftenBen  ·  1049 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Thanks for the grade teach.

kleinbl00  ·  1049 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I'll tell you what I told my aunt: "if you don't want to be lectured don't act like a child."