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dublinben  ·  1479 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Post election discussion thread.

    We hired Trump to do a job, and he has done it very well.

This is basically revisionist history by the kind of 'enlightened' conservatives who don't want to admit they're just partisan Republicans. It's interesting that the respondents focus on foreign policy, the least objectionable of Trump's policies. Actual voters consistently care very little about foreign policy and these issues, according to exit polls. The top issues for most voters are the economy, racial inequality, crime and safety, and healthcare policy, all areas where Trump's record is much harder to defend.





goobster  ·  1479 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Like I said, we can nitpick this specific voters' choice of "wins" and how they are measured...

... but the crux of their argument is indisputable: "The President has a JOB to do, and I'm gonna hire a motherfucker that can get that job DONE."

They then get to cherry pick all the wins and claim he is "doing the job" and completely ignore the moronic rallies and self-aggrandizing posturing on Twitter, etc. Because that's irrelevant. That's the show.

The WORK is actually getting done. (In their estimation.)

Hence why Biden is so lacking for them; he doesn't have a business plan that is easy to pitch and he doesn't have the "killer" instinct that a "business man" has, as opposed to a life-long politician who waffles and negotiates and compromises and is largely ineffectual in the end.

This is an aspect of the Conservative Story that I can understand, and wrap my head around, and it makes sense why they excuse all of Trump's personal failures.

ButterflyEffect  ·  1479 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Hence why Biden is so lacking for them; he doesn't have a business plan that is easy to pitch and he doesn't have the "killer" instinct that a "business man" has, as opposed to a life-long politician who waffles and negotiates and compromises and is largely ineffectual in the end.
    The WORK is actually getting done. (In their estimation.)

He doesn't appeal to white, and especially white male, fragility and ego. It's that simple.

uhsguy  ·  1479 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Exit Polls if you believe them, actually say exactly the opposite. The fragile white male ego was actually the biggest looser for trump. This is based off previous performance ofcourse in aggregate republicans don’t do well with minorities but he’s made progress rather unexpectedly

ButterflyEffect  ·  1479 days ago  ·  link  ·  

The last two elections have shown that “everything is made up, and the polls don’t matter”!

(Cue Drew Carey)

wasoxygen  ·  1479 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I think you're right to be skeptical of polls that show that, e.g. Trump Is Losing Ground With White Voters.

But what then is your evidence for concluding that Biden doesn't appeal to white male voters?

ButterflyEffect  ·  1479 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I’m also skeptical of Nate Silver at this point!

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54783016

oyster  ·  1479 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Dude, that’s like saying the Teletubbies biggest lose was fans under 7. They’re still the reason they exist.