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hootsbox  ·  4827 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Debunking the Bunk
I would like to say that using taxes and spending as a percentage of GDP being lower than other industrialized nations is on non-sequitur - so what? Are we going to compare ourselves to the EU which is collapsing under its own weight in un-sustainable socialist (albeit "democratic socialist") platforms? Shall we model let's say: Greece? Spain? Potugal? The UK? France? I would not want to compare myself to any losing proposition whether in business or government. If you are using benchmarks to shoot for would you use metics from profitable "like" businesses or non-profitable "like" businesses for example? I would not aim at the non-profitable ones! Why compare yourself to a losing entity? You can if you want, but you will end up where you are aiming - loses! You might choose Japan - but they are awash in their own quagmire apart from the Sunami and many of their profits come from US based businesses. I wouldn't - it makes no sense.




skorgu  ·  4827 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Germany, Switzerland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, and Finland are the pretty obvious examples of democratic socialist countries that are doing just fine. Any implication that socialist platforms are unsustainable is going to have to account for them somehow.

On the other side you have Hong Kong, Singapore, South Korea and Taiwan proving that it's possible as long as there's enough room for growth.

easynow  ·  4732 days ago  ·  link  ·  
exactly! The idea that democratic socialist states have all "failed" is a misnomer.
hootsbox  ·  4827 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Hong Kong was a "laissez faire" capitalist society for years, and was most successful at it (with reduced regulation I might add). South Korea has done well, but tends to be more democratic than "socialist". The Danish communities seem to be holding their own: about like one state in our union and certainly not California or New York. The Netherlands, by personally interviewing citizens of that country, don't really like the "cradle to grave" exchange for 60% of their labor dollars. Germany has done better (like it never had extensive US aid - right!) than some, but has "bucked" the trend fiscally as of late. Having spent two years there, I am aware of many of the pros and cons. And again, without the US economy, none of these countries would be where they are - that's a fact not an op-ed opinion.
skorgu  ·  4827 days ago  ·  link  ·  
I think you misunderstood my point. Of the ~60 nations with higher tax receipts there are something like 15 that I'd consider successful examples of social democracy. Maybe more, I'm not very familiar with the ex-USSR states.

Of the 117 with lower tax receipts there are four that I'd consider successful examples of laissez-faire.