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kleinbl00  ·  1743 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: “I was just shaking”—new documents reveal details of fatal Tesla crash

There's like 370,000 Teslas on the road. There have been six self-driving fatalities. Compare and contrast: There were 350 737MAX in the sky and two of them crashed. Tesla is a thousand times safer than Boeing!

We're bad at assessing the risk of systems we don't understand. It's in Elon's best interest to make that risk acceptable to you and in his worst interest to accept your irrational, fear-based assessment of the situation because if he's gotta make a car that chooses correctly 99.99999% of the time instead of 99% of the time he's gonna spend between now and forever chasing asymptotes and OBVIOUSLY that's bad for progress, bad for humanity, bad for traffic, bad for shareholders, bad for Grimes, bad for space exploration etc etc etc.

Autonomous cars have a different understanding of the road than we do. When you consider traffic to be a system of independent vehicles sharing a basis of understanding, the parameter mismatch becomes obvious.





mk  ·  1743 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Those 370k Teslas aren’t autonomous, and won’t be any time soon. But that’s not what Elon is selling. My point is that the last 10% isn’t only more difficult, it’s nothing like the first 90%. You could spend incredible effort training the car not to drive under semi trailers, only to treat a trash bag on the wind like a falling boulder. The cars don’t understand the road at all.

kleinbl00  ·  1743 days ago  ·  link  ·  

And I am in 100% agreement. But if Elon can make you think that the last 10% doesn't matter, he doesn't have to do it.

I personally don't think it will work until the cars are all operating on the same networked system. If there's nothing but GoogleCars on the road, Google won't run into itself. Start mixing Google and Uber and Ford? Yeah, if they're all using the same benchmarked software and they're all networked, maybe. Add humans? Or ripoff Chinese autonomy conversions? It'll never get there.

kingmudsy  ·  1741 days ago  ·  link  ·  

In an ideal world, I think we'd develop a system that anyone could tie into. I don't really want a Tesla network dominating the road because it feels so anti-competitive, BUT all the technical hurdles of having an openly licensed API that is safe and effective leave proprietary road networks as the only real possibility in my mind. Not because an open system like that can't exist, but because it seems there's no feasible way to implement and maintain it in the status quo with all of these companies working against each other for the same goal.

kleinbl00  ·  1741 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Again, agreed 100%. There was a time when companies could work together to come up with something like MIDI. Now? Now we've got everyone fighting tooth and claw for "open" formats like Microsoft's DocX and Apple's H.264.