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comment by OftenBen

Do you think I oppose complementary treatment?

I do not. We have covered this before.

If someone thinks they have a cure and wants to do a series of studies to demonstrate safety and efficacy of their technique or substance, by all means, go right ahead. I support evidence based medicine.

I do not support the constantly made claim that essential oils will cure cancer by themselves and should be taken in replacement of chemotherapy other procedures. This is an idea that doterra and their people push, in my experience and the experience of others. That makes this involvement concerning.

Glad venting at me gives you the warm fuzzies.





kleinbl00  ·  1765 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yeah, dude. I think you oppose complementary treatment. I think you burn with the need to carve into anything that steps outside of the extremely narrow interpretation of medicine you choose to espouse because you are reliably and dramatically filled with opprobrium whenever it is mentioned in any context. I think this because

    If someone thinks they have a cure and wants to do a series of studies to demonstrate safety and efficacy of their technique or substance, by all means, go right ahead. I support evidence based medicine.

Primum non nocere, bitch. If someone wants to drink a bottle of ashwagandha extract, Amazon will give them three thousand choices by 3pm tomorrow. But if someone wants so much as an eye exam, hold on mutherfucker let's see your insurance card.

Did you know I got in a (published) pissing match with The Atlantic? They were in high dudgeon over the fact that ZOMG there's a "nonprofit" that's probably going to charge $4k a year for peanut powder. I pointed out that $4k a year is pretty much exactly the expense you must incur in order to get a treatment through the FDA these days. Aimmune has a market cap of two billion dollars and their only product is fucking powdered peanuts. The author couldn't say shit in response because really, he wanted people to be outraged over $2b in powdered peanuts without bothering to examine the economics of FDA-approved peanuts.

So your series of studies? I've been there. I've done that. And you know what? I can grow Ashwagandha in my goddamn greenhouse. Fuckin' echinacea is a weed. So if you want to prevent people from trying to take care of their own health, your only hope is to talk about crazy pills and "evidence based medicine" and be sure to get lots of guilt and outrage and morality in there because god knows, most people will do anything they can to maintain the support of the community they value so if you can let 'em know that for-profit medicine is the only real medicine they won't run out and buy any tea tree, right?

or maybe they just won't tell you about it

I know you think you're the only person who ever deals with anything medical ever? But two or three times a month I get woken up in the middle of the night because one of my wife's clients decided to take some goddamn folk remedy without telling anyone and now things are fuckin' pear-shaped and there goes my weekend and if we're lucky there won't need to be any aid cars or resuscitation and none of this would fucking happen if the whole of the liberal internet weren't itching for a chance to curbsmile anyone thinking of stepping out of line.

You know where doterra belongs? Bankruptcy court. But not even that would help anything because since it's an MLM, their "associates" can say any goddamn thing. And do. And sell shit to our clients. But you know what? If I could bring that shit under our own roof it'd happen a lot less. Know how I know? 'cuz I got three naturopaths on staff and it's not like we're prescribing more woo? But we're hearing about it a lot more because people are less afraid they're going to be burned at the stake.

I actually don't enjoy this. I get sick of you shitting on the carpet. Doesn't mean the shoe's gonna stop. I think you think you're on the side of angels here because again, dogma fetish. And yeah - let's do some peer review, let's do some investigation but 'member when $2m got approved by congress for that? ZOMG the "skeptics" couldn't reach for their crazy pills fast enough.

The thing you don't get? It is so much easier to smile sweetly and nod as they align their chakras and anoint themselves in kombucha and just let it the FUCK go but you are firmly enamored with the idea that "letting the fuck go" causes cancer.

Thus we continue.

OftenBen  ·  1765 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Whatever you say chief.