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am_Unition  ·  1775 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Why the world is waiting for Betelgeuse to go supernova

Ummmmmmmm

I haven't gotten a neutrino email, though.

Whatever this is, it's a big deal, if it's real. I can't come up with anything that would generate a "burst". We've only heard "chirps", so far, just like we thought we would. Could be experimental/human error.





kleinbl00  ·  1775 days ago  ·  link  ·  

IT IS ALWAYS RAMA

am_Unition  ·  1775 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It might be the space-time disturbance created during the formation of a primordial, supermassive black hole finally arriving here, after propagating since a very small fraction of a second after the big bang.

kleinbl00  ·  1775 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Also very cool. But can you explain, in lay terms, how we could determine that with any certainty? Because it sounds kind of like a working hypothesis of a supposition of a theory.

am_Unition  ·  1775 days ago  ·  link  ·  

If the signal is verified as real, and especially if we get another one (I mean, we just turned LIGO on, cosmologically speaking), there will be an all-out race within the cosmological modeling community to reproduce it. If people are successful, and especially if they stay within the bounds of uncertainty surrounding the period of inflation, that's a bingo. Even if the models can generate a wave that looks good at first, they'll have to account for stuff like how much the waveform could be dispersed after propagating across a constantly-inflating universe.

Here's an article on primordial black holes and gravity waves, but it does not include mention of the new event, as it may have been published just hours prior. Edit: Well, the article focuses on small primordial black holes, sprinkled around locally, but I was talking about an event right after the big bang that created a black hole that goes on to serve as the core of a galaxy. Yeah, observational cosmology is still kinda like the wild west of physics.

What you were supposed to say:

NOPE, STILL RAMA, BETCH

kleinbl00  ·  1775 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Sometimes the jokes are funnier if you let the audience deliver the punchline