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b_b  ·  4441 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Repeat after me: speech is protected in the US...

If you deny that there is a racial element to hanging a representative symbol of a black guy by a rope over a tree, then you're either retarded (I mean actually retarded, not "retarded" in the colloquial sense) or lying to yourself. That said, do what you want, if you don't mind your neighbors thinking you're a racist douchebag. There's a such thing as free speech (which I am an unwavering proponent of), but there is no such thing as consequence-free speech.





cliffelam  ·  4441 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Did you just call me either deficient our a liar?

Sorry, not how I converse.

-XC

b_b  ·  4441 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Do you not think that there is a racial component to a clear reference to a lynching? But for the record, I wasn't using you as in cleffelam; I was using you as in "one". On reread that's not very clear.

cgod  ·  4440 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Well you are a racist. While everyone in this story is engaged in lawfully protected first amendment speech the chair guy is a racist piece of shit. Hanging a chair is now a metaphor for hanging president Obama, some racist nostalgia for the good old days when they used to hang uppity niggers like Obama. There is no other reasonable interpretation of his action. The fact that you are trying to defend this reprehensible speech which is in no way being curtailed by anything other then reasonable, decent and protected speech shows where you are coming from.

It's not the only reason I think you are racist. Your position on enforcing voter fraud is one that can only be held by a racist or a fool. Disenfranchising thousands of minority and poor voters to prevent voter fraud which has in the modern day never been shown to have any real impact on state or national elections is just a way for people to hid their racism behind a false cause.

It's possible you are a fool or have some kind of paranoia that fuel your world view, there are other postings and comments which that make delusional paranoia a possibility, but I'm guessing you are a White Republican middle-aged racist who lives in the south.

thenewgreen  ·  4440 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I hate that I'm having to do this right now. Shouldn't have to. I live 3 doors down from Cliff. When we moved down here the person that was the kindest to my family was Cliff and his wife, they still are. The first person Cliff introduced me to was someone that he thought I could work well with because they were "really bright and creative", a person named Cory. Cory is black, not that this would matter AT ALL to Cliff, he just thought that we'd hit it off.

I was out to breakfast with Cliff once and he excused himself for a moment. He then returned and we finished the breakfast and went to leave when a woman stopped Cliff at the door and said, "Sir, I just wanted to let you know that the soldier you bought breakfast for was very thankful". -Without TELLING ANYONE Cliff went to the register and bought breakfast for an enlisted man. He insisted that the enlisted man not know who had done it. Completely selfless. But the woman broke Cliff's cover. Was it a black soldier, an asian etc? It seriously would NOT MATTER to Cliff.

The guy is not perfect, trust me... we've become friends. He has his faults but being a racist is not one of them. Guess again cgod. You'd be lucky to have the convictions Cliff does. He may not hold your political sway, but he's a damned good guy. You're way out of line.

thenewgreen  ·  4440 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Also, you can click on "cliffelam" and then on to "comments" and get his comment history. I would be interested to know the comments that make him a racist. Truly. Bring it.

cgod  ·  4439 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Well shit, your right about one thing. Cliff isn't' the voters rights racist. Was totally some Hootsbox comments I had thought were cliffs. Sincerely my bad and I apologies. When combined with some comments he has posted about Obama and Holder that I think are on the verge of totally irrational and those two guys being the most prominent black members of this administration I sensed some good old fashioned Republican I'm not racist just my polices and positions happen to be racist traditionalism.

Really, I'm eating a huge turd at the moment, there is no way to fully show the amount of crow pie I'm realize I'm eating.

And now on to the racism. Protesting the abridgment of the chair hanging racist speech as a first amendment violation when the only thing he is facing is other citizens exercising their own constitutionally derived right to free speech is something that a you would generally expect a piece of shit racist to do. The idea that speech by a racist deserves the protection of the constitution, but that the speech of people protesting the racist speech should deserve less protection is a pretty racist position to hold.

Now maybe Cliff has an idea that speech that protest other speech should be abridged because it has a suppresive effect on a persons ability to freely express themselves (better speak first or you are violation someones rights by voicing your opinion), in which case Cliff isn't a racist, he is just confused about the fact that all speech is equal as long as it's not speech that is specifically against the law (which none of this speech was). This seems like a pretty confusing position to hold. Cliff seems like he is at least reasonably smart guy who is concerned with things like law and constitutional rights. It is surprising to see a reasonably smart guy hold a position like this if he doesn't hold some other irrational position that conflicts with what would otherwise seem like his values, such as being a racist.

Maybe I have gone too far, and have ruined any chance of working out why Cliff thinks we need to shelter the racist chair hanger from the speech of his fellow citizens. It really would be worth it, to find out why he has taken the position that peoples speech should be curtailed to preserve the ease of the chair hanging racist.

cliffelam  ·  4440 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  

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