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kleinbl00  ·  2170 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Finally, a Karl Marx anime

    As anime wasn’t formally invented until the 20th century, I bet Marx could literally never have envisioned this.

Fun fact: the term cartoon was originally coined to describe the sketches traced for stained glass windows in medieval churches:

    A full-sized cartoon is drawn for every "light" (opening) of the window. A small church window might typically have two lights, with some simple tracery lights above. A large window might have four or five lights. The east or west window of a large cathedral might have seven lights in three tiers, with elaborate tracery. In medieval times the cartoon was drawn directly on the surface of a whitewashed table, which was then used as a pattern for cutting, painting and assembling the window. The cartoon is then divided into a patchwork, providing a template for each small glass piece. The exact position of the lead which holds the glass in place is also noted, as it is part of the calculated visual effect.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stained_glass

From there "cartoons" became illustrations used for political agitation before looping through the doggerel of the proletariat.

I imagine Marx would be tickled pink to be in Chinese state anime.





OftenBen  ·  2168 days ago  ·  link  ·  

How do you bring up all of the Soviet atrocities to people who are unironically fans of Communists and communism? The kind who wear shit with Che's face on it and stuff?

kleinbl00  ·  2168 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Richard Pipes was a b_b recommendation and I thank him every chance I get. He was an old-school Reaganite hawk and this book, in particular, is written for tenth graders.

It covers "how fucked were the Bolsheviks after the revolution" "how blind were American boosters of Communism" "How much of a catastrophe was Soviet central planning" and "how much of a humanitarian crisis rule by the nomenklatura caused" while using historical and sociological research to point out that communism as advanced by everyone that has tried it runs afoul of basic human wants and needs. He spends a little time early on basically calling bullshit on marxism in general and then goes out of his way to point out that Marxism-Leninism ain't "communism" and that which was practiced in China and the Soviet Union are a far cry from what Marx had in mind anyway.

You gotta keep in mind - Che is not a communist, not as far as that goes, anyway. He's a face on a t-shirt.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Che_Guevara_in_fashion

OftenBen  ·  2168 days ago  ·  link  ·  

If the library has this I'mma grab a copy.

user-inactivated  ·  2168 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You might notice that the left has been trying to figure out where to go given that the Soviet Union wasn't what it looked like it was in the 30s for around 70 years now and the kid in the Che shirt is probably better informed than you. You might notice that even CPUSA, the Communist Party McCarthy wanted to know if you were a member of, hasn't been Marxist-Leninist in decades, and that most communists you're likely to meet are anarchists. You might wonder if there is some connection between the first and the second and conclude that the kid in the stupid tshirt won't benefit from your insights.

Or you might keep bathing in Jordan Peterson's logorrhea and keep hating on the pinkos like it's 1929. Whatever makes you happy.

OftenBen  ·  2168 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I have no problem with Anarchists. I wasn't thinking at all of Peterson actually.

I have a problem with apologists that claim that millions of people were not slain outright, worked to death or died from famine in that time period you describe.