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johnnyFive  ·  2322 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: “Deepfakes” Creates Fake Celebrity Porn.

I don't think we're quite there yet, but it may not be far off.

Given my profession, I'm especially interested in the legal implications for things like right to identity and privacy.





OftenBen  ·  2322 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I think that privacy as we think of it is going to go the way of the dinosaurs. Something will survive to evolve into chickens and robins and cardinals and shoebills but Privacy writ large will not survive.

For privacy as we know it to come back and also persist, you need to make John and Jane Q. Public give a damn about digital security. And you cannot force the public to give a damn about digital security.

Yes, the technology needs to be better/more accessible so that non compsci majors can have a hope of understanding what's going on.

AND.

People, average, 6th grade reading level people, have to give a damn. And they don't. They have bigger problems like rent, medical bills, childcare.

user-inactivated  ·  2321 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    I think that privacy as we think of it is going to go the way of the dinosaurs.

I think you are dead wrong. Privacy is a dead concept. There are cameras everywhere and every bit of info about your life, even stuff you don't know exists, is in a database that is being shared. Your hacked data is being sold due to security breaches at companies you have NEVER interacted with (Equifax is just one example).

And on top of that, the young people I interact with have no concept of a private life. EVERYTHING they do is under public scrutiny. By the time these people get into a position to make and enforce laws, I'll be dead. Yet I still care about this issue. Privacy is a vital human right. It is needed for a free society to exist. It is needed for a representative democracy to exist. Privacy is a critical core need for a sane, healthy, human mind.

And this critical component of who we are was taken from us to sell advertising, starting in the 1950's.

johnnyFive  ·  2322 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yeah, pretty much. Although in a way the advantage to all of this is that if everyone's dirty laundry is out there, I expect people will get less judgmental.

OftenBen  ·  2322 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Although in a way the advantage to all of this is that if everyone's dirty laundry is out there, I expect people will get less judgmental.

I suppose.

There have always been libertines, there have always been puritans. I suspect that because norms and mores are always changing, there will always be someone to call a libertine and someone to call a puritan.

johnnyFive  ·  2322 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yeah, true enough. I wonder if the new norms are less privacy? Is this what it feels like to be behind the social curve?

illu45  ·  2322 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yes, the tools aren't quite easily accessible/usable yet, but they are getting better, and I'm sure it won't be too long before it becomes relatively easy to "photoshop" videos in order to make it look like someone is doing something they never did. I expect that at some point in the next 5 years or so there will be a major scandal or two where big news orgs are fooled by fake videos of high-profile figures.