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thenewgreen  ·  4462 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Who owns you after you die? - Boston.com

So, if you took the monetization out of it but the family or estate owner still had the right to deny use of image/likeness you'd be okay with that? It's the money that bothers you?

It is a thing. There was just a news report that the GOP had considered using a hologram of Reagan for their convention. While it couldn't have been worse than Eastwood talking to a chair, it brings up a whole knew dimension to this discussion.

What if the DNC used a hologram of Reagan saying "I hate Romney, he's a dirty, secretive thief and I think you should vote for Obama". I think his family may take issue with using his likeness in this way. They should. (for the record, they should take issue with the modern GOP doing so too). You should be able to safe guard from opposing interests using that which you've spent a lifetime amassing for their own advancement.

Please expand on what you mean by "cooling effect on expression".





mk  ·  4462 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    So, if you took the monetization out of it but the family or estate owner still had the right to deny use of image/likeness you'd be okay with that. It's the money that bothers you?

No. I don't like either.

    What if the DNC used a hologram of Reagan saying "I hate Romney, he's a dirty, secretive thief and I think you should vote for Obama".

I don't think it would be a big deal. It might look funny, but it's a hologram of Reagan.

    Please expand on what you mean by "cooling effect on expression".

If you have to be careful of property rights when you are parodying someone, or creating a group to discuss, critique, or celebrate someone, then you limit the discussions around that persona. There will be less of them, and they will be less dynamic.

You can't dress like a Nazi with a mask of a politician's likeness in protest?

There would be no OBEY.

thenewgreen  ·  4462 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Great points, thank you. I am reassessing my thoughts on this based on the "cooling thoughts of expression".

I do think the Reagan example is a big deal though.

mk  ·  4461 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    I do think the Reagan example is a big deal though.

Really? How so? Someone could put on a Reagan mask and do the same thing. I don't think it would win the DNC many points.

thenewgreen  ·  4461 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Let's say you spent your life in defense of equal/civil rights and then after you are dead you ask your daughter to continue your struggle, she proudly agrees. Then the KKK starts using your likeness to recruit new members in a marketing campaign that is wildly successful. Currently, does your daughter have any legal recourse? If she clearly owned your image, she could put a stop to it. This seems pretty clear cut.

How to determine if it's just a similar image/style or actually meant to be you would be difficult to determine in some instances but then that's why the jury exists.

mk  ·  4461 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Not just being contrarian, I don't think there's any problem with the KKK using an image of someone dead. They could use George Washington or my grandpa. I wouldn't like it, but I don't like the KKK to begin with. You can always dream up extreme cases, but they shouldn't be the guiding force. Some scenarios like this might be distasteful, but it's not reason to institute property rights over what the living deem a dead person's persona to be. I think the medicine is far worse than the disease here. We don't stop vaccinating because the adverse risk is non-zero.

Most people don't want to end up in front of a jury, whatever their chances, so that pressure would prohibit a lot of expression, and IMHO pervert the historical narrative.