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am_Unition  ·  2444 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Cambridge Analytica used "bribes and Ukrainian sex workers."

Soooooo just to re-emphasize, I think this could be some of the biggest news in recent history. Cambridge Analytica (CA) yesterday released the most clumsy rebuttal that I've ever read. I wonder if it's a lie!

Channel 4 is releasing another undercover video at 1900 UTC today, in which the CA people describe how they won the election for Donald Trump. I expect that the UK authorities will soon swarm the offices of CA and SCL, the parent company.

Facebook stock was down about 7% yesterday, LOL. I'll wager it's gonna take an even bigger dive today. People are vastly underestimating how big this whole story is going to get.





b_b  ·  2444 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I'm skeptically but excitedly awaiting the new report. CA did some shady shit, but they also have an incentive to claim that they personally delivered the goods for Trump. Nothing could drum up business from other dickholes like a claim that you got Trump elected. I stand firmly by my conviction that racists got Trump elected and that they really didn't need Facebook's help. All the Trump voters I know fall into (a) fingers in the ear screaming about hating Hillary, (b) I don't give a hit who I vote for as long as my taxes are lower, and (c) implicitly and explicitly racist people. None of those categories are mutually exclusive of the others, or course.

All that said, FB taking a nosedive would make me happy. Fuck them hard.

am_Unition  ·  2444 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You were right to be skeptical. It was a little bit underwhelming, but it's hard to top yesterday's Ukranian hookers admission.

The new report explicitly acknowledged that CA stood everything to gain from claiming that they were responsible for Trump's election victory in what they presumed was a sales meeting, and off the record. CA claimed that they engineered the "lock her up" tagline and accompanying media, which they then passed to the campaign. Like 'bl00 said, they touted their targeting of the emotional core of any given debate, and were very methodical in deciding to target swing states that Hillary failed to campaign in adequately.

You might've caught this last month, but the votes for Stein were encouraged by the Russians, effectively depleting the democratic turnout for Hilldawg. That there is a similarity in tactics between Russian and CA approaches to misinformation, kompromat, emotional appeals, etc. is very disconcerting, though not necessarily direct evidence that they worked together. I still think it's quite likely that Mueller will get Flynn or Bannon to concede that the campaign shared intel and/or funding with the Russians. And Kushner's got a baby face that looks like it could positively sing if he's ever on the stand.

Either way, the Mercers are terrible people. Terrible people with absurdly large foreheads.

kleinbl00  ·  2444 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Have you watched the Channel 4 stuff? It's about 40 minutes of your time (so far) and totally worth it. One of the points they make is that elections are driven entirely by emotion, and what Cambridge Analytica did was surgically target emotion to achieve the electoral outcomes they wanted.

Targeting on "daisy" is "people watching Patty Duke."

Targeting on "south united" could be as granular as "men 16-22 within 2 miles of zip 90210 who like sports, exercise and sci fi television."

You're right: at the end of the day, that person has to vote. But at the end of the day, he had to have a reason.

b_b  ·  2444 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I haven't had the opportunity to watch yet, but I will. Did they put effort into suppression, as well (in an area where I can't watch the clips). I'm intrigued by how many people just didn't vote. Mitt Romney got more GO votes in MI than Trump yet Trump won. Turnout was low, and a bunch of morons voted Stein or Johnson. Targeting none of the above a la Brewster's millions was probably more effective than convincing people to vote psychopath.

kleinbl00  ·  2444 days ago  ·  link  ·  
kleinbl00  ·  2444 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Who's got two thumbs and an eye on FB?

It's worth noting that Facebook is the F in FAANG. FAANG is the gains in the stock market going back to 2016 at least. And Cambridge Analytica have been implicated in the Brexit and the Brits are totally cool with killing 158-year-old newspapers over shit like this so yeah. I'd say we're outside "business as usual."

veen  ·  2443 days ago  ·  link  ·  

The Zucc’s also out though. I would not be surprised if this is the snowflake that will cascade into an avalanche.

b_b  ·  2443 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Meanwhile...

"What if, hear me out, instead of internet highways, we built highways made of concrete, and instead of friending someone digitally, you had to be in voice proximity to friend someone auditorally?"

"OMG it's so crazy it just might work."

kleinbl00  ·  2443 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yeah I saw that.

Shady.

johnnyFive  ·  2443 days ago  ·  link  ·  

So here's my question. CA has so far been reaaallly clumsy in their handling this, as you say. But let's not let our hope of some dirt on Trump cloud observation: this is a company whose sole existence has centered around successfully manipulating the media narrative.

Why are they now botching this so horribly? I'd be curious to know who's in charge over there now, and to what extent they may have an interest in torpedoing Trump.

am_Unition  ·  2441 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I think they've just never been on blast before like this. Things really got out from under their thumb(s).

My fear is that they've genuinely committed no crime pertaining to Trump's campaign, thus no impetus for them to throw anyone under the bus. Guess we'll find out eventually. Or maybe not :(.