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steve  ·  2727 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Shake it up. Offer up one somewhat unpopular opinion that you hold.

I may get run out of town on a rail...

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Having pets is unnatural and strange.

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Pot should be legal, but smoking it should not be.

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We should have to prove our need for a pickup truck or an engine in a car larger than about 1.6L.

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This one isn't mine, but I heard it the other day: if you receive public assistance, you lose the right to vote.





b_b  ·  2727 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    if you receive public assistance, you lose the right to vote.

Literally everyone receives some form of public assistance. I'll choose low-hanging fruit as an illustrative example: tax advantages for having dependents.

WanderingEng  ·  2727 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Mortgage interest tax deduction is another big one.

b_b  ·  2727 days ago  ·  link  ·  

For sure, and that one only applies to upper middle class people. There are too many to name, really, even just looking at the tax code. The list could get exhaustive if we started talking about all the ways in which the government supports businesses that affect consumer prices (that again, mostly rich people benefit from). That number is large enough that the total dollar value of line item tax breaks for specific businesses is larger than the Bush tax cuts on the top income bracket (according to an NPR report from a couple years ago when the rollback of that tax was being debated). "Public assistance" is one of the things that illustrates the dire need we have for tax reform in this country. The one thing I agree with Trump on is that the system is rigged (although I'm not sure we'd agree on prescriptive solutions).

steve  ·  2727 days ago  ·  link  ·  

The guy I was talking to was talking about food stamps, section 8 housing, and other forms of cash subsidies to the poor. For some reason he seems to want further disenfranchise the disenfranchised... or something.

His main contention was that as the population of people who are entirely reliant on governmental support grows, they will continue to only vote for public officers who commit to spend more on those systems.

b_b  ·  2727 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Is he familiar with Medicare? How about real estate depreciation? Department of Defense contractors? Recipients of all of these programs routinely vote for candidates that support their continued existence, the difference being that old people, developers, and defense contractors have actual political power.

steve  ·  2727 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I'm sure he is... I'm also sure he only thinks of public assistance in forms that he, or his immediate family doesn't receive. He's just an angry conservative who thinks "they" are all out to get him.

and the "they" is a moving target.

b_b  ·  2727 days ago  ·  link  ·  

My uncle once tried to claim that renters shouldn't have the right to vote for the same reason. Hate to generalize, but those people are all the same (salty old white dudes).

steve  ·  2727 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    salty old white dudes

yep... but strangely this dude's a little younger than me...

steve  ·  2727 days ago  ·  link  ·  

agreed - like I said - not mine... just one I heard. In fact, he and I got into a discussion because he went on to say "ok, maybe not no vote, but like a fractional vote" which I told him sounded a little like when slaves were counted as some fraction of a "person".

user-inactivated  ·  2727 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Having pets is unnatural and strange.

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    We should have to prove our need for a pickup truck or an engine in a car larger than about 1.6L.

I . . . I don't think we can be friends anymore.

steve  ·  2727 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I knew I would draw some ire....

Sorry mate. Still love ya.

user-inactivated  ·  2727 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Having pets is unnatural and strange.

Not unpopular: just unusual.

    Pot should be legal, but smoking it should not be.

Now that's interesting. Care to elaborate?

steve  ·  2727 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Care to elaborate?

I am a grumpy old man... I can't enjoy a summer afternoon in the park or a cool summer evening in my backyard without smelling weed. I don't think I'm being overly sensitive or prudish. Last night I put up a screen and a projector - my kids had some friends over to watch a movie in our backyard. How fun! until the neighbors started to blaze... I'm not trying to pick on weed necessarily - I don't like smelling cigarette smoke, cow manure, diesel exhaust, sulphur, or other industrial fumes either. It's just annoying that one person's consumption has to inflict discomfort on people in their vicinity.

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So please consume marijuana - but just quit smoking it anywhere that affects other people - eat it, tincture it, SOMETHING... but smoke it? smoke? it boggles my mind.

goobster  ·  2727 days ago  ·  link  ·  

So your issue is not with marijuana... it is with "being a public nuisance."

Smoke anything, and someone else has to smell your smoke.

I get it. Good point. I'll vote for ya.

steve  ·  2727 days ago  ·  link  ·  

yep... the bummer is... the culture around weed in particular tends to be around smoking it... so I don't anticipate any changes any time soon. Yep there are edibles, and tinctures, and oils... but in the end.. who wants to say "pass the brownie"?

goobster  ·  2726 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I agree that the culture around the illegal use of weed, is largely smoking it. But here in WA, that culture changed overnight.

My wife is a weed smoker, and we were with friends the other night who were simply flabbergasted that she SMOKED it! None of them knew anyone who still smoked weed... they all imbibed in other forms.

But my wife is an old Deadhead traditionalist, and smokes very little (two tokes, twice a week). So calling her a "smoker" is way overstating her use.

But yeah... around here, in my Burner/Deadhead community? People went from smoking to ANY other form of intake almost overnight.

And passing the joint? Nobody shares any more. Now that there are so many carefully cultivated and mass-produced strains, everyone has their own particular favorite, and almost never smokes anyone else's stuff.

The culture has changed a LOT here. Very quickly.

user-inactivated  ·  2726 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Lol. People who have had brownies before. They would definitely say that.

rthomas6  ·  2725 days ago  ·  link  ·  

This makes sense. Like... smoke is bad for human lungs, period. Breathing smoke is always bad for you.

steve  ·  2725 days ago  ·  link  ·  

while this may be true... I kinda don't care what people choose to do to their own bodies... for me, the smoke is a "public" issue. It is very difficult to control smoke. If I'm BBQing, smoking a cigarette, or lighting a joint, people within several meters of me in every direction are going to know about it.

rthomas6  ·  2725 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Right, and because it's smoke, they're directly harming your health in a small but measurable way. They're causing you and your kids to breathe smoke.

steve  ·  2725 days ago  ·  link  ·  

maybe to some small extend... but mostly they're bugging me (aka "get off my lawn")