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kleinbl00  ·  2731 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Apple's keynote slides from WWDC 1997

Fascinating. They're basically saying "hang on for another couple years, we'll have the PowerPC and OS X. In the meantime, "yellow box" and this fuggly thing.

Apple had the OLPC in '97 but they made it look like that and only sold it to schools. And this is why Steve Jobs was worshipped as the second coming.





lm  ·  2731 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Was "yellow box" ever anything but vaporware? I spent some time fiddling around with Macs from that era and never heard of it before today.

I remember almost getting an eMate for a portable laptop a while back, but they were never as cheap as they ought to have been considering the usefulness of the hardware. (Instead I bought an X61 which is still my main laptop...)

kleinbl00  ·  2731 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I looked it up. It evolved into Cocoa.

user-inactivated  ·  2731 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I had to really dive into some old NeXTStep documentation some months back because reasons. I would love to read a history of how they got from that to modern OsX from someone who had been around since NeXT. I totally understand why people who worked with NeXT boxen are nostalgic for them, and baffled at how it evolved into the seriously abusive development environment Apple offers now.

kleinbl00  ·  2730 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I suspect it happened between their demographic wanting this

And their demographic wanting this.

The crowd that buys computers by color needs shit pretty nerfed out unless you want them calling tech support every Tuesday and Thursday.

user-inactivated  ·  2730 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Sure, but indifference isn't malice. They didn't want to suck for the NeXT crowd. They actively courted them; prior to being the iPad/iPhone company they were all "hey guys we're still a real Unix, look, we'll even release Darwin for you to play with." So yeah, of course part of the answer is they got painful to work with because not being painful to work with wasn't a priority, you'll put up with it because that's how you sell apps. That's true of Windows too. Windows started off with crap though, and they tried to fix it with NT but then they just had something clever emulating crap. Apple started with NeXT, and while they don't have a compelling reason to go out of their way not to make it suck if you don't buy computers because they're pretty, they've never had an obvious reason to make it suck. Nor, until the last few years, have they had a hard time hiring good engineers. Yet somehow they went from being more clunky than linux but tolerable because it's convenient to be running the same OS as the designers and accountants and secretaries when I first got exposed to it to... not.

kleinbl00  ·  2730 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I don't disagree.

Personally, the iPhone was where I really started to sense the contempt Steve Jobs had for his customers. the iPad doubled down. Since then they've just been abusive.