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steve  ·  2809 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: They Used To Last 50 Years

this is just poorly written drivel baiting suckers





user-inactivated  ·  2808 days ago  ·  link  ·  

i thought the writing was confusingly fun

raisin  ·  2809 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Maybe it's poorly written, but here's is some research from the National Association of Home Builders from 1993 and 2007, comparing average life expectancy of housing components and appliances. Note how for nearly every category in the Appliances section the lifetime decreases by one to two years on average.

kleinbl00  ·  2809 days ago  ·  link  ·  

The 1993 dishwasher listed by a trade publication has a 10-year life expectancy. The 2007 dishwasher listed by the same trade publication has a 9-year life expectancy. That's a 10% drop over 14 years, or 1.4% per year. If the argument is that a 1952 Hotpoint "used to last 50 years" than a 2017 LG should last 41.

Considering it costs a third as much, I'm good with that.

raisin  ·  2809 days ago  ·  link  ·  

This isn't really related to the dishwashers per se, and it is too early for me to be doing any sort of math, but if it's a 10% drop over 14 years (making it, if we for some reason assume it's a linear correlation, a 0.71% life expectancy drop per year), wouldn't that translate to a 60% drop over 65 years, where the 2017 LG would last for only two decades? Or are you assuming some other more true-to-life model of dishwasher lifetime degradation?

Again, this isn't really about how good the actual appliances are, I am simply curious where the numbers came from because I can't seem to figure it out.

[EDIT] Also, prices from the 1950s are a little fuzzy, but here is a reference to the first truly affordable home dishwasher, for $169.50 ($1,713.31 in 2017 dollars), and here is a 1959 $184.50 Kenmore dishwasher ($1,544.49 in 2017 dollars). When I look at the LG website, the two most popular models (judging by the sheer number of reviews) that they have cost $820 and $1120. So yes, it's cheaper, but not three times cheaper.

kleinbl00  ·  2809 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You're right. Bad math. .71% per year x 50 years = 35 years.

Here's a 35-year-old fridge.

It looks remarkably like the one my mother-in-law just got rid of.

20 years past the point where it was embarrassingly out of style.

steve  ·  2809 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I agree that cheaper appliances don't last. But this thing just reeks of MLM testimonials.

edit: hahahahah - and frankly, looking back at my original sentence.... IT is poorly written (and non-punctuated) drivel...

That's what I get for posting so early in the morning... I think my point is - this article didn't give me the sense of real action - he doesn't seem to be encouraging us to write letters to congress, or lobby the appliance companies for change... instead, in his closing paragraph, he gives us two links to his "I'll teach you how to make a living refurbing appliances" business... it just feels like a cheap shot:

"Let me complain about something that a lot of people will agree with, and then people can pay me to learn how to make some money on the interim problem instead of fixing it"