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user-inactivated  ·  2902 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: A Yale history professor’s powerful, 20-point guide to defending democracy under a Trump presidency

    even Fox news doesn't really like him

Have they stopped recently, or did they ever not like him? From what I've seen on The Daily Show, it sounds like Fox was soundly pro-Trump at least before the election.

    because the CIA and NSA have already shown with the "Russian election hack" story that they'll sell him out at the first opportunity.

What does that mean? Did I miss some epic spy story?





goobster  ·  2900 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Did I miss some epic spy story?

Apparently yes.

Your spy services, apparently backed by Putin himself, hacked quite a few things to push the election results towards Trump. CIA, NSA, and FBI all agree on that, and they never agree on anything.

So they hacked the DNC emails, we all know that. And released the stuff to Wikileaks, since Assange is such a dear friend of shaking the state.

But it also turns out they hacked the RNC, found incriminating stuff, and then decided NOT to release that stuff.

And they also hacked the company that supplies the electronic voting machines in key battleground states, long enough before the election that it appears that the machines seem to be running an altered version of their OS. (And the hand recounts and machine recounts in one state are already out of whack too far to be just a statistical anomaly.)

So yeah. At this point it is clear the Russians hacked the US election and may have asserted enough sway to have actually had an effect on the election.

The Electoral College gets together today to vote for the new President officially, and this is usually a formality. But now several of them have asked for briefings from the CIA/NSA/FBI on the hacking evidence before they place their vote. Which is kinda the point of the Electoral College... to be the last bastion against shenanigans.

(The other story which has faded from the press was that many of the fake news sites that were publishing insane shit about Clinton - like Pizzagate - were run by a group of 9 or 10 young people from Moldova, with direct Russian backing in the way of funding and server support from .ru. That definitely had an effect, as well.)

user-inactivated  ·  2891 days ago  ·  link  ·  

As if I needed more reasons to not like this country.

It's all weird power moves from Russia. I mean, it's quite cool of it to use cyberwarfare for its benefit, but - for Christ's sake, to what end? Power? Control? Money? It makes no sense to me. If you want to effectively seize control of another country - which, from what I hear, is Russia's apparent plan - why would you do it before taking care of your own?

Also, those aren't "my" spy services: they're Russian government's. I'd like not to be affiliated with what the current government does. When the country I live in decides to openly spy on its people, it's not something I would support.

By the way, the Yarovaya laws? the ones that require mobile carriers to store data from the services they provide for six months? They remain unchanged after whoever takes care of it in Russia had a hearing about possible changing them.

johnnyFive  ·  2900 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    What does that mean? Did I miss some epic spy story?

Potentially? U.S. intelligence agencies have now come to a consensus (with the FBI being a little late to the party) that Russia hacked the DNC and released all those damning e-mails with the purpose of helping Trump win the election. That those same agencies have gone public with this (which undermines Trump's legitimacy) is what Odder is referring to.

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