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goobster  ·  2930 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: My mental hurdle: Universal Basic Income

I think people are clever. And I think people want to do shit.

If the poor in Appalachia had a UBI, then a bunch of them would come up with cool ideas, and pursue them. Because, it has been proven that once the stress of meeting basic needs is met, people's health improves, their outlook on life improves, their creativity improves... just, everything gets better because they are not constantly in a heightened state of stress.

Will some people be lazy and never lift a finger again? Yeah. Sure. There are those people today, even without UBI.

But skimpy handouts and stop gaps (WIC, food stamps, Section 8, etc) don't cut it. They aren't guaranteed, they require certain hoops to be jumped through, etc, so they miss the key element that makes a UBI work: security.

I have no idea what someone in rural Appalachia, or the wastelands of Detroit might come up with, if they had a UBI and the gumption to make something... but I sure as hell want to see it! I want them to do something they are proud of, and that makes even more money, so they aren't totally reliant on the UBI.

That'd be cool...





user-inactivated  ·  2929 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    I have no idea what someone in rural Appalachia, or the wastelands of Detroit might come up with, if they had a UBI and the gumption to make something... but I sure as hell want to see it! I want them to do something they are proud of, and that makes even more money, so they aren't totally reliant on the UBI.

NASCAR.

And on a serious note? Environmental Tourism is starting to be a thing. People want to go to West Virginia because there are dark skies, mountains, pretty trees and streams and creaks etc. Someone in WV woke up one morning and realized the natural beauty of the place is something they can sell.

Maybe with a UBI more people can travel and look at stuff.

Deltron_0  ·  2930 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Because, it has been proven that once the stress of meeting basic needs is met, people's health improves, their outlook on life improves, their creativity improves...

Isn't one's outlook on life subjective to their values?

do you have proof showing that creativity improves when basic needs to sustain life are met? Not necessarily to disagree - but creativity is a different beast of psychology than operating to maintain homeostasis. Often the absence of sustaining infastructure is the seed for the creative mind to improvise - to retain a sense of value despite a loss of presence (at least I've observed often)

user-inactivated  ·  2929 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I can't give you the direct link due to mobile viewing, but the relevant topic is under "Opinions on Psychological Effects". So far, both of you stated differing, (in your own words) subjective beliefs on what engenders creativity. Clearly, experience gives different opinions, and theven closest thing I could find was an opinion on the matter. That said, I'd welcome you to join me in searching for supporting or opposing evidence. That's what discussion is all about, right? :)