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dublinben  ·  3040 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Why Leftists Should Have No Problem Voting For Hillary Clinton

She isn't. Sanders isn't the kind of choice I'm talking about though. None of them challenge the status quo of American hegemony like a truly alternative candidate would.





kleinbl00  ·  3040 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Take a peek at the history of American presidential politics and show me where there was ever a viable 3rd-party candidate.

Your behavior is akin to going to a Sizzler and acting irate because they don't serve unicorn.

b_b  ·  3040 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Depends on your definition of viable, I suppose. One could argue that Perot and Teddy Roosevelt were "viable" from the perspective that they made waves, even if they didn't really have a chance (although I suppose the same could said be about Nader if that's the bar for being viable).

Maybe a better argument is that Lincoln was an alternate candidate, given that the Republicans were only a couple years old when he ran (although of course they rose from the ashes of the Whigs). I think the rise of the GOP is a good argument for not having the parties baked into law, and for keeping them very private. The down side of the open primary system is that it basically enshrines into law that these two parties can't die. I think in a winner take all system that the mathematics show that two parties will always dominate, but it's not a law of the universe that it has to be these two parties. I would love to see the GOP collapse under the gravity of its own bullshit, but that seems unlikely.

kleinbl00  ·  3040 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I think the GOP will be under new management by January 2017.

b_b  ·  3040 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Reince Priebus obviously deserves to lose his job waaaaaaaaay more than Wasserman-Shultz did. She did her job, and he didn't do his, yet somehow she's the bad guy. Imagine yourself two years ago. Now imagine yourself imagining that the GOP would nominate a guy who disparages military veterans and their families. New management would be a start, but they need a general purge also.

kleinbl00  ·  3040 days ago  ·  link  ·  

DWS' problem is that it's the outsiders that want her head for thwarting their will. RNC_PR_BS failed to quell a rebellion. I think they're both establishment victims of circumstance; neither fully understood the depth of their problems.

But yes. RNC_PR_BS effectively presided over the death of of his party, while DWS withstood an insurgency at great personal cost.

b_b  ·  3040 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Goddammit, I forgot that's his name. It makes me laugh every time.