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goobster  ·  3068 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: What is the coolest sports car of all time?

Do we get pedantic and point out that you said sport cars, and yet neither of those are particularly "sporty"? Do we go down the rabbit hole of trying to define "sporty"?

My assumption with "sport car" is that it is a car you want to take out on a curvy mountain road, and possibly even let the back end get a little loose as you hammer it around the bends.

The Stingray Vette is incredibly beautiful, but doesn't do anything other than go in a straight line. Stopping, turning, etc, are terrible.

The Countach is... wow. That was like an alien spaceship landed on Earth! I remember my friends and I looking at pictures of it in a magazine and debating if there actually was enough room inside for all the things a car needs... an engine, a seat, a human being, etc.

But again, they are absolute pigs that don't often run when you turn the key in the ignition. So "sporty"? Not in my definition.

How do you define "sports car", or a car that is "sporty"? I'm super curious to unpack this idea with you and see where we agree and where we diverge...





kleinbl00  ·  3068 days ago  ·  link  ·  

A sports car is a small two door vehicle designed for performance. It usually lacks a back seat.

There's a giant tag cloud of confusion around the term that lesser men hide behind, but the overwhelming majority of non-idiots will agree to:

- two doors

- small

- performance

And you can talk a massive line of smack about the countach but at the end of the day, it had a 5L v12 and weighed less than 3000lbs and if your definition doesn't include that, your definition is useless.

goobster  ·  3068 days ago  ·  link  ·  

... and THAT exhaust note.

user-inactivated  ·  3068 days ago  ·  link  ·  

kleinbl00 and I had this argument. I think we ended up agreeing to disagree.

kleinbl00  ·  3068 days ago  ·  link  ·  
user-inactivated  ·  3068 days ago  ·  link  ·  

More semantics. ;)

mk  ·  3067 days ago  ·  link  ·  

kb covered the definition:

    A sports car is a small two door vehicle designed for performance. It usually lacks a back seat.

However, when it comes to ranking them, I would say that the form isn't as important as embracing the form. A coupe that hugs mountain roads can rate just as high as a rocket IMO as long as it knows what it's all about.

When you are buying a sports car, you have a mix of passion and disposable income, and you are ok with wearing that on your sleeve. Your car should take the same approach, IMO.

That said, I am hardly a purist. I have a soft spot for the Fiero.

goobster  ·  3067 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    A coupe that hugs mountain roads can rate just as high as a rocket IMO as long as it knows what it's all about.

I like that definition! And yeah... the Stingray definitely meets those standards.

    I have a soft spot for the Fiero.

It takes a confident man to admit an affection for the Fiero. :-)

This is where my Fiero died two hours after I bought it.

The girl I bought it from was in the passenger's seat when I spun out and went off the road and down the cliff. The car rolled twice and wound up in the top of a tree. We had to climb out the sunroof, climb down the tree, and walk back up the hill to the road.

For some reason she never wanted to go on a second date with me...

mk  ·  3067 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Holy crap. o_O What were the weather conditions? Were you doing the 35 MPH? ;P

I had a pal that had one here in MI. He used to put cinder blocks in the trunk I think to try to get some traction. It was a disaster in the snow.

Three of us as teenagers used to drive across town with me sitting on the floor and my other buddy indian-style on the passenger seat. Thank god we never crashed.

goobster  ·  3067 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It's California, so it was a sunny and 72, of course. I was throwing the thing around on my favorite mountain road (probably 50+ MPH), but when the front wheels broke loose in the middle of the corner there was no correcting it.

We did a wide, lazy, sliding spin, 180-degrees, and went over the edge of the cliff on her side of the car. We had lots of time to consider our imminent demise.

And then we were in top of the one tree on the whole hill. (Otherwise we would have rolled 50-100 times to the bottom.)

Adding weight to the

mk  ·  3067 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Jesus. That's up there with me sticking ecib under the bed of a semi in my '90 190E.

Hope you weren't texting the part about the weight on a CA bend.

user-inactivated  ·  3067 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    That said, I am hardly a purist. I have a soft spot for the Fiero.

That car had the potential to be amazing. Unfortunately GM stuffed it with a bunch of mediocre parts, allegedly because they didn't want it to chip away at The Corvette's sales numbers. During its last production year, things started to go straight and you get to see hints of what The Fiero could have been. Wikipedia has a great little history of the car. Interstingly, this wasn't the first time GM was afraid of Pontiac up staging The Corvette. Pontiac's Banshee I concept car never got to see production.