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goobster  ·  3110 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: I'm drunk and can't sleep

You'd think, right? But liquor has a LOT of sugar in it. So just when you think you are going to go to bed, the sugar high kicks in.





_refugee_  ·  3109 days ago  ·  link  ·  

There is no such thing as a sugar high.

For those who are curious, it actually has been well-documented that consumption of alcohol disrupts sleep (example article here) , however, much like we don't know what actually causes a hangover despite knowing that hangovers are caused by alcohol consumption, it appears we aren't quite sure why (or rather, how) alcohol consumption disrupts sleep.

goobster  ·  3109 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Dang it. I should know better than to use convenient shorthand on Hubski.

Yeah, I misrepresented the mechanism and went for the "sugar high" old wives' tale since it addressed the symptom that those of us who have imbibed too much are familiar with, of waking bolt upright in the middle of the night and feeling energized.

I shall keep my observations further from hyperbole in the future! My lesson learned! :-)

_refugee_  ·  3108 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I think you're the first person I've said "there is no such thing as a sugar high" to who actually a) listened and b) was like "you're right" instead of trying to defend its existence.

I feel like believing in "sugar highs" is like believing you get different kinds of drunk off different kinds of alcohol. I have friends who swear it is the case. I will tell you what I have done a lot of getting drunk on a lot of different things and it always goes the same for me.

goobster  ·  3108 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yeah. The unassailable knowledge of my youth is crumbling around me...

Sugar highs aren't real.

Turkey doesn't make you sleepy.

Pluto isn't a planet.

The WOW Signal isn't aliens calling us.

Eggs aren't high in cholesterol.

And new cars don't have bench seats.

I dunno what I know any more!

_refugee_  ·  3108 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Makes you want to take everything you hear from experts with a hefty grain of salt, right? Or just not worry about it.

user-inactivated  ·  3108 days ago  ·  link  ·  

"Oh I can't drink whisky, bro. Whisky makes me angry."

"Bro, shut the fuck up. I practically go swimming in whisky and I'm just as mellow as when I drink beer."

OftenBen  ·  3109 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Hold on, I thought a huge part of the hangover question was simple dehydration/improper salt balance?

I know there have been a few mornings I would have killed for a good ole potassium drip.

b_b  ·  3109 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I can tell you from experience that the worst hangover known to man can be cured in minutes with a couple liters of saline in your arm.

OftenBen  ·  3109 days ago  ·  link  ·  

If a big fluid bolus wouldn't probably kill me, I'd keep a few on hand and a friendly nurse on speed dial.

_refugee_  ·  3109 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yes, but just as we know SSRIs help with depression, we don't actually know that depression is caused by a serotonin imbalance in the brain. We just know giving people more happy chemicals makes them more happy. Am I wrong in my understanding of this?

OftenBen  ·  3109 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I've heard the analogy that SSRI's are kinda like dumping gasoline into/on top of a sputtering engine. Might make it go faster, might just catch fire, might actually restore normal functioning, might do all sorts of things.

_refugee_  ·  3109 days ago  ·  link  ·  

There's at least one alternate theory that it might be B vitamin deficiency.

Here's an article, Ben: http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/why-do-we-get-hangovers

briandmyers  ·  3110 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Liqueurs often have a lot of sugar in them (schnapps etc), but spirits, wine and beer have nearly none. Maybe you're thinking of carbs?

goobster  ·  3110 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Carbs convert to sugar. I was taking a lexical shortcut. Sorry about that!

briandmyers  ·  3110 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Consumption of ethanol lowers blood sugar though - does not increase it.

OftenBen  ·  3109 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yes but ethanol gets metabolized into sugar.

b_b  ·  3109 days ago  ·  link  ·  

False. Lots of bad info on this thread, so don't feel like I'm singling you out.

user-inactivated  ·  3110 days ago  ·  link  ·  

That, or when you finally do fall asleep, it's only for about an hour or so and then suddenly BAM! You're awake as fuck at 2 in the morning.

goobster  ·  3110 days ago  ·  link  ·  

THAT's the sugar kicking in.

Wakes me up every time. Then I'm like... "great. What am I gonna do NOW?"

briandmyers  ·  3109 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I suspect it's more a case of sobering up, and not sugar. The normal metabolism of ethanol does not appear to yield any sugars at any point (but I am not an expert).

There's quite a bit of evidence that suggests there's no such thing as a sugar rush in any case; but I know from experience that very few people will ever believe that.