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reguile  ·  3132 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: [Annotated] Why Cities Aren’t Ready for the Driverless Car

Most self driving systems today are using neural networks, I don't think expert systems would be able to manage the complex issues that pop up with driving.

As a result, I don't think we could really understand all the nuances that these systems are capable of knowing once they have been trained for so long to drive. It's easy to create a network that learns to do a task relative to learning how the completed system is thinking.

These aren't brute force approaches anymore, there is a system that is learning as time passes, and getting better at what it does as time continues forward.

As such, these networks have one job, and do that one job very well. In this case that job is to prevent crashes.

Fiddle with that network to impose artificial limitations and you impose on a system optimized to do something, and more crashes will result in the long run. Although I'm sure there are cases where things go wrong with the program, or things need tweaked, these aren't the same as directly interfering with the car when it decides to take a course of action that could lead to hitting a schoolbus vs a normal car. It may well be that hitting the schoolbus causes less total harm for some reason, and we be sure that we understand the reasoning of the machine before we decide to mess with it.





briandmyers  ·  3132 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Most self driving systems today are using neural networks

No offense intended, but colour me skeptical - can you support this? I believe there's a lot of research into neural networks for pedstrian identification etc, but I've never seen any indication that (for example) Google Chauffeur uses neural networks at all. Again, they appear to be throwing brute-force at the problem.

[edit] Details about self-driving software are hard to find; however, I did find this little hint (from this article http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/autonomous-driverless-car-brain/ )

    Yet as smart as today's cars may seem, they are cognitive toddlers. In a car brain, software, processors and an operating system need to run algorithms that determine what the car should do, and these decisions must be made quickly.
reguile  ·  3132 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Nvidia thinks so:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/drive-px.html

    In a car brain, software, processors and an operating system need to run algorithms that determine what the car should do

Within a journalistic article like this, neural networks more than fit this definition. They are, after all, just a bunch of big arrays with a bunch of weights and activation functions.