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kleinbl00  ·  3143 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: No, You Can’t Feel Sorry for Everyone

Dude who is this choad?

    Adam Waytz is a social psychologist and professor at Northwestern University’s Kellogg School of Management. He studies humanization, dehumanization, and the moral implications of these processes.

Oh, of course. He's a pointy-haired-boss trainer. That's how you come up with shit like this:

    A data-based approach to identifying and ranking universal values is ambitious to be sure. But, crucially, it calls on us to make use of the limits on morality that are inherent to all of us as human beings, rather than lamenting them.

"If you don't feel bad enough about someone else's plight, it's okay - we've created an algorithm to tell you what to do."

I mean, the dude did a post-doc at Harvard so he can't be a total idiot. But I'm not sure how a guy with three psych degrees can skate right over Dunbar's Number. I'm also not sure how this is allowed to fly as an unchallenged maxim:

    The endpoint of the liberal humanitarian project, which is universal empathy, would mean no boundary between in-group and out-group.

Anyone read the Universal Declaration of Human Rights? It's actually pretty goddamn good. But what it hammers home again and again is that "boundaries between in-group and out-group" can't be used for persecution, not that they need to dissolve. Hey, check this out, Article 21 (2):

    No one may be compelled to belong to an association.

The "endpoint of the liberal humanitarian project" isn't some hivemind it's universal self-determination. It's a protection of individual expression and liberty. All 30 articles of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights basically boil down to "nobody can fuck with you unless you fuck with someone else." That's a tacit acknowledgement of a lack of universal empathy, a recognition of the reality of socialization and a framework by which you don't have to treat everyone nicely, but you do have to treat them fairly.

And fairness is fuckin' easy. Chimps get it. I think it takes a management school professor to determine that The Golden Rule needs to be more algorithmic.

I'll just leave this here because it's an actual exploration of the actual problems suggested, as interpreted through monkeys and Cracked.





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user-inactivated  ·  3143 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    I think it takes a management school professor to determine that The Golden Rule needs to be more algorithmic.

Game theorists have done it too, and tit-for-tat kind of sort of models how some animals decide to help each other out. It takes a management school professor to determine that someone needs to work out the details for us and impose their conclusions on us though.

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Thanks! I knew that chimp study was out there and was hoping someone would post it. Toddlers get this shit, Chimps get this shit, but there is no coin to be made unless you can define the problem and make people feel bad about the words you use.

    The "endpoint of the liberal humanitarian project" isn't some hivemind it's universal self-determination. It's a protection of individual expression and liberty.

If the internet does not devolve into echo chambers, I may see the beginnings of this in my lifetime. I hope.

kleinbl00  ·  3143 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Frustrating thing for me is that theoretically we had a framework to go that way back in the late '40s but we were too busy with the Cold War to make it happen. And that ain't on the US.